Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[Danny82]

 

DeRosa is a bad utility player.

 

I'm quite sure you could have made your same point without the gross exaggeration.

[YearofDaCubs]

Don't forget Derrek Lee never "brokeout" until he was 29 almost 30 years old. Some people figure stuff out later than others.

Yeah, but he was putting up 30 homers and close to 100rbis before that. He was no slouch.

[TruffleShuffle]

Maybe they use him at 2B for a year to keep it warm for Patterson, and then he goes back to being a super sub assuming he doesn't hit out of his mind this year.

 

Of course, maybe the stupid Cubs use it as an excuse to trade Patterson for some piece of trash middle reliever or 5th starter. That's when I go on a murderous rampage and never root for the Cubs again.

[treebird]

Don't forget Derrek Lee never "brokeout" until he was 29 almost 30 years old. Some people figure stuff out later than others.

 

derrek lee pre-breakout and mark derosa pre-breakout are not similar in any way.

[TXCubsFan]

Well, the writing is certainly on the wall for Cedeno.

 

Bruce Miles did mention in his chat that Ronny needed time to mature.

 

As for how I feel about the signing itself...

 

It could be a great thing if used properly... It could just as easily explode in our faces.

 

Use DeRosa to platoon with Jacque, pinch hit, and fill in on the diamond when people really need a day off, that's fine. Even giving him a chance to win a role at 2B when a righty is on the mound would be fine...].

 

That would make sense to platoon him with Jacque. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, he could play a number of positions, which would avoid the mistake of not having a backup at each position, as happened last year.

[Pinktermite]

Hendry will never do anything right will he? At least for some people. Before anyone panics, I'd like to know how he plans to use this guy. I don't think Lou will care if DeRosa's pissed if he loses his starting job...which is a big change from Dusty B. I think there's a fair chance that DeRosa is a late bloomer.

[b_wiggy_66]

Don't forget Derrek Lee never "brokeout" until he was 29 almost 30 years old. Some people figure stuff out later than others.

Yeah, but he was putting up 30 homers and close to 100rbis before that. He was no slouch.

 

If he upped his numbers so much in one year and turned him into a superstar, why is is so hard to think that Derosa can't do the same after his breakout year and turn into a good everyday player?

[Pinktermite]

It's not hard to see that DeRosa could clearly be a good signing for the Cubs.

[goonys evil twin]

so do the fans boo DeRosa just for the hell of it???

 

Do the fans hate him just for the hell of it?

 

No, some people don't like the signing because he's not good and it's a significant chunk of money.

[goonys evil twin]

It's not fair to compare Derosa to Soriano, but Derosa is one year older and got a 3 year contract while Soriano is looking for 6-7 years.

 

So? This is absolutely stupid. DeRosa is a bad utility player. Soriano is an impact regular.

 

This comparison is absurd.

 

Mark DeRosa is not a bad player.

 

Career OPS+ of 90.

[YearofDaCubs]

Don't forget Derrek Lee never "brokeout" until he was 29 almost 30 years old. Some people figure stuff out later than others.

Yeah, but he was putting up 30 homers and close to 100rbis before that. He was no slouch.

 

If he upped his numbers so much in one year and turned him into a superstar, why is is so hard to think that Derosa can't do the same after his breakout year and turn into a good everyday player?

Let's hold off on the superstar talk for DLee as well. He's had one good year and still hasn't produced the same kind of numbers. Yes, I know he was injured but let's take a wait and see approach with him too. Is it possible DeRosa figured it out and will put comparable numbers just like last year? Sure it is, but IMO it is unlikely that he will. He was pretty bad towards the end of the year last year so maybe he had a really long hot streak. His career numbers are abysmal, so I have to say that the chances seem better that he will not be as good as he was last year. Obviously, I hope that I'm wrong but it's hard not to be worried giving 4mil to a player who will be the everyday 2B for this team who only put up one good year which happened to be his contract year.

[goonys evil twin]

It's not fair to compare Derosa to Soriano, but Derosa is one year older and got a 3 year contract while Soriano is looking for 6-7 years.

 

So? This is absolutely stupid. DeRosa is a bad utility player. Soriano is an impact regular.

 

This comparison is absurd.

 

40 doubles and 74 RBI with a .357 OBP are not numbers put up by a bad utility player. Why is it so hard to believe that the guy figured something out and is entering his prime later than most? I think he proved he's better than just a bad utility player last year. You cant just ignore what he did last year, those are really good numbers. At the worst hes a good utility player next year.

 

At worst he repeats 2004. At best he repeats 2006. And there's a wide gulf in between.

[Pinktermite]

So Goony, in the same role, who would have been better than DeRosa? Just curious

[goonys evil twin]

Hendry will never do anything right will he? At least for some people. Before anyone panics, I'd like to know how he plans to use this guy.

 

Every word that has been spoken on the issue by anybody that matters suggest he will be the everyday 2B.

[TruffleShuffle]

I guess to reiterate my point from the mark derosa thread - signing a guy like Mark DeRosa to a 3 year, $13M contract is not going to cripple a team. What cripples a team is to sign somebody like Neifi Perez to a $2.5M/year contract and then give him a lot of playing time, or to sign Juan Pierre to a $10M/year contract. Teams not named the Yankees or Red Sox can't afford to do that stuff.

[goonys evil twin]

So Goony, in the same role, who would have been better than DeRosa? Just curious

 

As starting 2B? Any number of players. As utility guy? Probably 100 guys that wouldn't cost over $4m per year for 3 years.

[b_wiggy_66]

Don't forget the market is out of control anyways. Guys like Roberts, who is 35 are talking about 3 years. Pierre is talking about 10 million a year. If DeRosa doesn't work out then Theriot can step in. Everyone is going to get overpaid this offseason. Deal with it.

[YearofDaCubs]

Don't forget the market is out of control anyways. Guys like Roberts, who is 35 are talking about 3 years. Pierre is talking about 10 million a year. If DeRosa doesn't work out then Theriot can step in. Everyone is going to get overpaid this offseason. Deal with it.

Then deal with the losses the Cubs will produce yet again this year..

[goonys evil twin]

I guess to reiterate my point from the mark derosa thread - signing a guy like Mark DeRosa to a 3 year, $13M contract is not going to cripple a team.

 

Not crippling a team is no defense for a bad contract. The problem is Hendry tends to find multiples versions of this contract, which tend to not cripple on their own, but when combined together, hurt the team significantly.

 

I don't give a crap if he doesn't cripple the team. You don't go into the offseason looking for guys who won't cripple the team. You look for guys that will help a bad team get significantly better.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's not fair to compare Derosa to Soriano, but Derosa is one year older and got a 3 year contract while Soriano is looking for 6-7 years.

 

So? This is absolutely stupid. DeRosa is a bad utility player. Soriano is an impact regular.

 

This comparison is absurd.

 

Mark DeRosa is not a bad player.

 

Career OPS+ of 90.

 

Brought down to that level by an awful 2004. The last two years he's had an OPS+ of 98 and 106, and will be playing mostly "defensive" positions. He'd be a bad hitter for a 1B or RF, but as a 2B/SS/3B/Util guy, he's clearly not a bad hitter.

[C.C.]

Don't forget the market is out of control anyways. Guys like Roberts, who is 35 are talking about 3 years. Pierre is talking about 10 million a year. If DeRosa doesn't work out then Theriot can step in. Everyone is going to get overpaid this offseason. Deal with it.

 

I don't mind overpaying, but overpaying for a player that doesn't make you better is dumb.

[goonys evil twin]

Don't forget the market is out of control anyways.

 

Then we should forget about getting better and hope to heck 81 wins takes the division and Lou can manage to get 81 wins out of this team.

[TruffleShuffle]

Don't forget the market is out of control anyways. Guys like Roberts, who is 35 are talking about 3 years. Pierre is talking about 10 million a year. If DeRosa doesn't work out then Theriot can step in. Everyone is going to get overpaid this offseason. Deal with it.

Then deal with the losses the Cubs will produce yet again this year..

 

Yeah, the Cubs are going to lose because they signed Mark DeRosa to a three year deal. Right.

[goonys evil twin]

Brought down to that level by an awful 2004. The last two years he's had an OPS+ of 98 and 106, and will be playing mostly "defensive" positions. He'd be a bad hitter for a 1B or RF, but as a 2B/SS/3B/Util guy, he's clearly not a bad hitter.

 

You can just as easily say it was brought up by a fluke 2006.

 

Quit making excuses. It's a bad contract.

[TruffleShuffle]

Brought down to that level by an awful 2004. The last two years he's had an OPS+ of 98 and 106, and will be playing mostly "defensive" positions. He'd be a bad hitter for a 1B or RF, but as a 2B/SS/3B/Util guy, he's clearly not a bad hitter.

 

You can just as easily say it was brought up by a fluke 2006.

 

Quit making excuses. It's a bad contract.

 

Quit being a pompous prick. Not everyone agrees with you.

Edited November 15, 2006 by TruffleShuffle