Soriano is Gonna Cost A Lot....and I Mean ALOT!!!!!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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The Baltimore Orioles, according to a team source, began preliminary discussions with Washington Nationals left fielder Alfonso Soriano , and were floored by the free agent's initial contract outline.

 

According to the source, Soriano is seeking a deal similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal given to center fielder Carlos Beltran by the New York Mets before the 2005 season.

 

Holy Schnikeees!

 

(And no wonder Ramirez opted for FA. He'll get more than Alphonso!)

[XZero771679666304]

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The Baltimore Orioles, according to a team source, began preliminary discussions with Washington Nationals left fielder Alfonso Soriano , and were floored by the free agent's initial contract outline.

 

According to the source, Soriano is seeking a deal similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal given to center fielder Carlos Beltran by the New York Mets before the 2005 season.

 

Holy Schnikeees!

 

(And no wonder Ramirez opted for FA. He'll get more than Alphonso!)

 

Soriano will get considerably more than Aramis. Not that he should, but he will.

[cubweiser03]

Soriano is 30 while Beltran was 27 when he signed that 7 year contract. A 7 year deal for soon to be 31 year old is a steap price for him to be asking. Aramis might be able to get a 7 year deal though. Id be surprised if the Cubs got Aramis for less than 5.

 

I would pay more per year with less years for Soriano. Kinda like a Furcal deal (but longer than 3 years.) 5/85 should do it.

[CubsInNC]

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The Baltimore Orioles, according to a team source, began preliminary discussions with Washington Nationals left fielder Alfonso Soriano , and were floored by the free agent's initial contract outline.

 

According to the source, Soriano is seeking a deal similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal given to center fielder Carlos Beltran by the New York Mets before the 2005 season.

 

Holy Schnikeees!

 

(And no wonder Ramirez opted for FA. He'll get more than Alphonso!)

 

Are my timetables off, or is Soriano still in the exclusive negotiation window with his former team? If so, what would be the penalty with "player tampering" of this nature. Would it be forfeiture of the contract, should he sign 1 with them?

[CubColtPacer]

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The Baltimore Orioles, according to a team source, began preliminary discussions with Washington Nationals left fielder Alfonso Soriano , and were floored by the free agent's initial contract outline.

 

According to the source, Soriano is seeking a deal similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal given to center fielder Carlos Beltran by the New York Mets before the 2005 season.

 

Holy Schnikeees!

 

(And no wonder Ramirez opted for FA. He'll get more than Alphonso!)

 

Are my timetables off, or is Soriano still in the exclusive negotiation window with his former team? If so, what would be the penalty with "player tampering" of this nature. Would it be forfeiture of the contract, should he sign 1 with them?

 

Hmm, now that you point that out, that is strange. I don't have an answer to you if it is tampering, and what that would mean if it was though. Anybody know a little more than me? :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't think teams and players can actually get down to negotiating, but I believe the player can lay out the parameters of what they are seeking.

 

What would be tampering is if Baltimore countered that with an offer that included finances.

[jmajew]

If any team is giving Soriano a 7 year deal they are morons. He will be 38 when the contract is over. If that is what he is asking and he won't take less than 7 years I say forget about it.

 

Aramis must be thinking 7 years 130 million if Soriano is thinking 7/119. This just does not bode well for the Cubs. At this rate we will only be able to sign 2 free agents with these asking prices. That includes Aram.

[cjbucks]

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The Baltimore Orioles, according to a team source, began preliminary discussions with Washington Nationals left fielder Alfonso Soriano , and were floored by the free agent's initial contract outline.

 

According to the source, Soriano is seeking a deal similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal given to center fielder Carlos Beltran by the New York Mets before the 2005 season.

 

Holy Schnikeees!

 

(And no wonder Ramirez opted for FA. He'll get more than Alphonso!)[/quote]

 

So you're saying we're not going to get either then?

[abuck1220]

boy, if the cubs lose out on soriano AND lose ramirez, they are going to absolutely suck.

[Soul]

Soriano's half a ballplayer in my book.

 

Something's seriously wrong if he draws that kind of money. I still say this league needs a salary cap....

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea, he may say he wants Beltran numbers, but didnt Boras throw out some ridiculous numbers for Beltran at first, like 10/200? After that, he settled to 7/119.

 

So by that logic, Soriano would end up around 5/75, high, but doable.

[abuck1220]

Soriano's half a ballplayer in my book.

 

Something's seriously wrong if he draws that kind of money. I still say this league needs a salary cap....

 

how is he half a player?

[CubFanPhilly]

I'll believe it when I see it. There's a good bit of money available in the market, but no enough to justify a Carlos Beltran deal for Soriano.

 

Beltran>>A Ramirez>>>>Soriano

[rawaction]

Soriano's half a ballplayer in my book.

 

Something's seriously wrong if he draws that kind of money. I still say this league needs a salary cap....

 

how is he half a player?

 

He's the offensive half.

[Sammy Sofa]

Soriano's half a ballplayer in my book.

 

Something's seriously wrong if he draws that kind of money. I still say this league needs a salary cap....

 

how is he half a player?

 

He's the offensive half.

 

That's the half they desperately need. This team isn't hurting defesnively thanks to Hendry's "catch the ball" passion.

[Mizzou]

For some reason, 7 years at 119 million sure sounds like much more than 17M per year. I'd go that high per year for Soriano. Not in a million years would I give him a seven year contract though.

[NorthsideAvenger]

For some reason, 7 years at 119 million sure sounds like much more than 17M per year. I'd go that high per year for Soriano. Not in a million years would I give him a seven year contract though.[/quote

 

 

I stay away from Soriano if he is insisting on that contract. I realize he set those perimeters, and only a few teams in baseball will be talking to Soriano (Cubs/Dodgers/Angels/Yankees/Mets/Red Sox/Orioles). But considering that Angelos prolly won't be opening the pocket book for Soriano, both the Angels/Dodgers may persue him, but may look at other guys like Lee/ARam, etc. The Mets and the Yankess don't have a place for him even tho Minaya still covets him). So, to me there are two legit teams for Soriano who have the room financially, and a position for him. To me, I'd stay away from Soriano until he gets down to the 5 yr $80 mill. And maybe he pull a Vladimir Guerrero, and signs late in the free agency.

[third eye]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

Offensively, I dont think it would be that different. You are adding 30-35 HR, 90-110 RBI (or 50-70 more than Pierre) with an OBP around 340-350 either way. The defense in the second option would be suspect. However, we don't know how the first option would look defensively anyway. The major difference is that the second one would be cheaper and would not require the same contract length (assuming CLee really does want to come here and will sign for a reasonable price).

 

The extra money could then be poured into resigning Aramis, going after Schmidt and possibly Lugo (leaving Izturis and Theriot to battle it out for 2b. That should be a decent lineup. Just need additional bottom-of-the rotation depth. I was never high on the CLee idea before, but if we are looking at overpaying for an unknown defensively in center, couldn't we live with Jones there and add similar productivity at a corner for cheaper?

[UK1679666180]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

Offensively, I dont think it would be that different. You are adding 30-35 HR, 90-110 RBI (or 50-70 more than Pierre) with an OBP around 340-350 either way. The defense in the second option would be suspect. However, we don't know how the first option would look defensively anyway. The major difference is that the second one would be cheaper and would not require the same contract length (assuming CLee really does want to come here and will sign for a reasonable price).

 

The extra money could then be poured into resigning Aramis, going after Schmidt and possibly Lugo (leaving Izturis and Theriot to battle it out for 2b. That should be a decent lineup. Just need additional bottom-of-the rotation depth. I was never high on the CLee idea before, but if we are looking at overpaying for an unknown defensively in center, couldn't we live with Jones there and add similar productivity at a corner for cheaper?

 

Jones like Soriano has to prove he can play CF. I think Soriano has the better tools to play CF over Jones.

 

As far as Lee, how long till he eats himself into playing DH/1B? He's not that much better than M. Ramirez right now defensively.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

Offensively, I dont think it would be that different. You are adding 30-35 HR, 90-110 RBI (or 50-70 more than Pierre) with an OBP around 340-350 either way. The defense in the second option would be suspect. However, we don't know how the first option would look defensively anyway. The major difference is that the second one would be cheaper and would not require the same contract length (assuming CLee really does want to come here and will sign for a reasonable price).

 

The extra money could then be poured into resigning Aramis, going after Schmidt and possibly Lugo (leaving Izturis and Theriot to battle it out for 2b. That should be a decent lineup. Just need additional bottom-of-the rotation depth. I was never high on the CLee idea before, but if we are looking at overpaying for an unknown defensively in center, couldn't we live with Jones there and add similar productivity at a corner for cheaper?

 

Jones like Soriano has to prove he can play CF. I think Soriano has the better tools to play CF over Jones.

 

As far as Lee, how long till he eats himself into playing DH/1B? He's not that much better than M. Ramirez right now defensively.

 

Speaking of, is there any chance of acquiring Ramirez this offseason?

[CubFanPhilly]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

 

If you're thinking along those lines go with:

 

Burrell (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF) --OR--

 

Burrell (LF) - Pie (CF) - Sheffield (RF)

 

Scary defense, but how many runs would it really cost you? Pagan makes a passable late-innings defensive replacement.

[JWCUB]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

Offensively, I dont think it would be that different. You are adding 30-35 HR, 90-110 RBI (or 50-70 more than Pierre) with an OBP around 340-350 either way. The defense in the second option would be suspect. However, we don't know how the first option would look defensively anyway. The major difference is that the second one would be cheaper and would not require the same contract length (assuming CLee really does want to come here and will sign for a reasonable price).

 

The extra money could then be poured into resigning Aramis, going after Schmidt and possibly Lugo (leaving Izturis and Theriot to battle it out for 2b. That should be a decent lineup. Just need additional bottom-of-the rotation depth. I was never high on the CLee idea before, but if we are looking at overpaying for an unknown defensively in center, couldn't we live with Jones there and add similar productivity at a corner for cheaper?

 

Jones like Soriano has to prove he can play CF. I think Soriano has the better tools to play CF over Jones.

 

As far as Lee, how long till he eats himself into playing DH/1B? He's not that much better than M. Ramirez right now defensively.

 

Speaking of, is there any chance of acquiring Ramirez this offseason?

 

That would be nice. I always have liked Manny.

[CubinNY]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

Offensively, I dont think it would be that different. You are adding 30-35 HR, 90-110 RBI (or 50-70 more than Pierre) with an OBP around 340-350 either way. The defense in the second option would be suspect. However, we don't know how the first option would look defensively anyway. The major difference is that the second one would be cheaper and would not require the same contract length (assuming CLee really does want to come here and will sign for a reasonable price).

 

The extra money could then be poured into resigning Aramis, going after Schmidt and possibly Lugo (leaving Izturis and Theriot to battle it out for 2b. That should be a decent lineup. Just need additional bottom-of-the rotation depth. I was never high on the CLee idea before, but if we are looking at overpaying for an unknown defensively in center, couldn't we live with Jones there and add similar productivity at a corner for cheaper?

 

Jones like Soriano has to prove he can play CF. I think Soriano has the better tools to play CF over Jones.

 

As far as Lee, how long till he eats himself into playing DH/1B? He's not that much better than M. Ramirez right now defensively.

 

Speaking of, is there any chance of acquiring Ramirez this offseason?

 

That would be nice. I always have liked Manny.

 

hahaha. I thought he was talking about Aramis. I guess I should read the referenced post.

[cubweiser03]

Can someone fast forward my life 14 days?

Thanks, Id appreciate it.

[abuck1220]

How much difference in terms of production would there be between an outfield of:

 

Murton (LF) - Soriano (CF) - Jones (RF)

 

and an outfield of:

 

CLee (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF)

 

 

If you're thinking along those lines go with:

 

Burrell (LF) - Jones (CF) - Murton (RF) --OR--

 

Burrell (LF) - Pie (CF) - Sheffield (RF)

 

Scary defense, but how many runs would it really cost you? Pagan makes a passable late-innings defensive replacement.

 

i've never understood how crappy hitters that are little and fast get labeled good defenders regardless of their actual ability. pagan is a hack out there.

 

not that i care about late inning defensive replacements.