the notre dame thread

[TruffleShuffle]

hooray for fake punts up 24 points... classy move charlie

 

and then go for a TD on 4th down when you need a FG to go up biony 4 scores... fatty isn't making any friends today

[TruffleShuffle]

31 point lead in the 4th and Quinn is still throwing the ball to Samardzija, with Walker still in at tailback. Gosh, I might have to root for Michigan next week.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yup, rooting for Michigan

[soccer10k]

Yup, rooting for Michigan

 

Welcome to the club.

[bukie]

Really, the only thing that has kept Penn State's score so low is 3 stupid PSU mistakes and the huge difference in time of possession.

 

Notre Dame's defense hasn't really stopped PSU. I can somewhat see why Weis wants the offense to stay on the field as long as possible, but it could bite them if there's an injury.

[Derwood]

Yup, rooting for Michigan

 

Yes, I just ranted about Charlie's sportsmanship in the "College Games 9/9" thread. I thought it was classless and a blatant attempt to run up the score (and Quinn's numbers). Congrats buddy, you've impressed the hell out of the pollsters and Heisman comittee. Keep up the good work (jerk)

[DCNashville]

This whining is classic. If PSU would have rolled on Notre Dame, 90% of this forum would have celebrated Paterno laying it on the Irish. After Paterno's comments ripping Notre Dame for being independent and his obvious disdain for the Irish, I wish we would have let the score get to where it easily could have been---about 56-3.

 

I just can't wait to hear all this week that "Penn State just wasn't that good" and Weis "still has never beaten anyone good." The same will be said after we beat Michigan. 'Michigan and Penn State aren't what they used to be."

[TruffleShuffle]

This whining is classic. If PSU would have rolled on Notre Dame, 90% of this forum would have celebrated Paterno laying it on the Irish.

 

No, it never would have happened because Paterno doesn't run up the score on people. That's why I'll have to side for Michigan next week, because a few years ago they were up 20 points on PSU at the half and ran the ball between the tackles in the 2nd half rather than embarrass Penn

 

I wish we would have let the score get to where it easily could have been---about 56-3.

 

Well you're definitely rooting for the right team then, you seem to know as little about winning with class as your boy Charlie does.

[DCNashville]

This whining is classic. If PSU would have rolled on Notre Dame, 90% of this forum would have celebrated Paterno laying it on the Irish.

 

No, it never would have happened because Paterno doesn't run up the score on people.

 

2005:

Penn State 40, Central Michigan 3

Penn State 63, Illinois 10

Penn State 44, Minnesota 14

 

2004:

Penn State 48, Akron 10

Penn State 37, UCF 13

Penn State 37, Michigan State 13

 

2003:

Penn State 52, Indiana 7

 

2002:

Penn State 40, Nebraska 7

Penn State 49, Louisiana Tech 17

Penn State 49, Northwestern 0

Penn State 58, Indiana 25

Penn State 61, Michigan State 7

 

You're right---JoePa is a classy guy who would never blow out a team. But, I guess as long as you're laying 56 points on someone in the first half (2005, Illinois), its all good. Its just those third and fourth quarter points that lack class!

[Derwood]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

[Soul]

This whining is classic. If PSU would have rolled on Notre Dame, 90% of this forum would have celebrated Paterno laying it on the Irish.

 

No, it never would have happened because Paterno doesn't run up the score on people.

 

2005:

Penn State 40, Central Michigan 3

Penn State 63, Illinois 10

Penn State 44, Minnesota 14

 

2004:

Penn State 48, Akron 10

Penn State 37, UCF 13

Penn State 37, Michigan State 13

 

2003:

Penn State 52, Indiana 7

 

2002:

Penn State 40, Nebraska 7

Penn State 49, Louisiana Tech 17

Penn State 49, Northwestern 0

Penn State 58, Indiana 25

Penn State 61, Michigan State 7

 

You're right---JoePa is a classy guy who would never blow out a team. But, I guess as long as you're laying 56 points on someone in the first half (2005, Illinois), its all good. Its just those third and fourth quarter points that lack class!

 

There's only one moral in college football: win by as big a margin as possible. Anything else gets you questioned, and possibly even fired.

[DCNashville]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

 

We have to worry about voters who only read box scores. Penn State's feelings shouldn't be any part of Coach Weis' thought process. Playing the game to win with your best players should never be seen as being unsportsmanlike.

 

Lets face it---you all are focusing on anything other than the fact that Notre Dame just completely took apart your program. Thats fine---I wouldn't want to think about my team being humiliated this soon either.

[DCNashville]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

 

By the way, are you saying it is totally fine for Joe to run up 56 in the first half on Illinois with his starters, as long as he doesn't pull that in the second half? Somehow that is fine, but Weis lacks class.

 

Voters are uneducated and only look at box scores and word of mouth. Consider the fact that we dropped in the rankings because of a close win. How in the world do you blame Weis? Especially considering we played off your receivers late---allowing two garbage TDs---and didn't play our starting offense the last 10 minutes or so.

[CubColtPacer]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

 

Weis comes from the NFL, which is getting more and more of the mentality that you don't take the pedal off until the opposing team gives up. PSU didn't give up-they still had their starters in, and they still were doing things like calling timeouts. Even coaches like Tony Dungy subscribe to this philosophy-if the opponent is still trying to win the game, so do you. It's not like this was a 1-AA team where the team had no chance to beat your second or third string. Penn State has the firepower to possibly make the game interesting in the 4th quarter against all backups if they leave in their starters-why should Notre Dame have to risk that?

[TruffleShuffle]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

 

By the way, are you saying it is totally fine for Joe to run up 56 in the first half on Illinois with his starters, as long as he doesn't pull that in the second half? Somehow that is fine, but Weis lacks class.

 

Penn State didn't throw the ball the entire 2nd half of that game. What do you want them to do? If Illinois is bad enough to give up 56 points in a half of football, that's their problem... Penn State wasn't trying to rub their nose in it and they took their foot off the gas before the first half was even through. That's different than keeping your first string in and going for 4th down conversions when up 31 in the 4th quarter. I think beating a ranked team by 20+ points is impressive enough for the voters.

[treebird]

How many of those games had the 2nd and 3rd string offense in there? I'd bet most. In fact, I would lay money that Paterno didn't have the starting QB passing to the starting RB in the 4th quarter of that Illinois game.

 

By the way, are you saying it is totally fine for Joe to run up 56 in the first half on Illinois with his starters, as long as he doesn't pull that in the second half? Somehow that is fine, but Weis lacks class.

 

Penn State didn't throw the ball the entire 2nd half of that game. What do you want them to do? If Illinois is bad enough to give up 56 points in a half of football, that's their problem... Penn State wasn't trying to rub their nose in it and they took their foot off the gas before the first half was even through. That's different than keeping your first string in and going for 4th down conversions when up 31 in the 4th quarter. I think beating a ranked team by 20+ points is impressive enough for the voters.

 

a friend of mine and i actually did discuss afterwards how we sort of felt bad for penn state because it was clear that they were nice and had no ill will against us and didn't mean to keep scoring, but unless they decided to just start falling down, they were going to keep scoring and that was all there was to it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think there's room between "playing until your opponent gives up", and faking a punt when up 24 points(and the other team has only a FG) with just over a quarter left to play.

[treebird]

I think there's room between "playing until your opponent gives up", and faking a punt when up 24 points(and the other team has only a FG) with just over a quarter left to play.

 

anybody who disagrees with this is really just kidding himself

[TruffleShuffle]

Voters are uneducated and only look at box scores and word of mouth. Consider the fact that we dropped in the rankings because of a close win.

 

Notre Dame dropped two spots because they very nearly lost that game, not because the margin of victory was small. If they'd been in control of the game most of the way and won by a TD, that would've been different.

[CP_414]

I think there's room between "playing until your opponent gives up", and faking a punt when up 24 points(and the other team has only a FG) with just over a quarter left to play.

 

anybody who disagrees with this is really just kidding himself

 

Thats just not true. The Irish fell in the polls by not winning by enough last week. It would be idiotic to not "run up the score" every chance you get. The margin of victory impacts polls, why stop playing just because the outcome isn't in doubt? The margin of victory also impacts the BCS. Play 100% till it's over.

[snoodmonger]

Fake punts up 24 points are bush league. Not WWTJD. (What would touchdown Jesus Do?)

 

But props to ND. They made the most of every mistake PSU made.

[treebird]

I think there's room between "playing until your opponent gives up", and faking a punt when up 24 points(and the other team has only a FG) with just over a quarter left to play.

 

anybody who disagrees with this is really just kidding himself

 

Thats just not true. The Irish fell in the polls by not winning by enough last week. It would be idiotic to not "run up the score" every chance you get. The margin of victory impacts polls, why stop playing just because the outcome isn't in doubt? The margin of victory also impacts the BCS. Play 100% till it's over.

 

Notre Dame dropped two spots because they very nearly lost that game, not because the margin of victory was small. If they'd been in control of the game most of the way and won by a TD, that would've been different.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think there's room between "playing until your opponent gives up", and faking a punt when up 24 points(and the other team has only a FG) with just over a quarter left to play.

 

anybody who disagrees with this is really just kidding himself

 

Thats just not true. The Irish fell in the polls by not winning by enough last week. It would be idiotic to not "run up the score" every chance you get.

 

You can't run up the score when you're losing most of the game. Notre Dame never had the chance to run up the score because they were holding on by the skin of their teeth. It's not like Notre Dame had the opportunity to score another 2 TDs and didn't out of sympathy for their opponent.

[Andy]

Voters are uneducated and only look at box scores and word of mouth. Consider the fact that we dropped in the rankings because of a close win.

 

Notre Dame dropped two spots because they very nearly lost that game, not because the margin of victory was small. If they'd been in control of the game most of the way and won by a TD, that would've been different.

That is crap and you know it. Notre Dame controlled the entire second half especially on defense, but since they didn't score enough, the pollsters dropped them. And they should correct that by moving them back up to 2 after this one.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Voters are uneducated and only look at box scores and word of mouth. Consider the fact that we dropped in the rankings because of a close win.

 

Notre Dame dropped two spots because they very nearly lost that game, not because the margin of victory was small. If they'd been in control of the game most of the way and won by a TD, that would've been different.

That is crap and you know it. Notre Dame controlled the entire second half especially on defense, but since they didn't score enough, the pollsters dropped them. And they should correct that by moving them back up to 2 after this one.

 

Why does ND deserve the 2nd spot over other unbeaten teams like Auburn for example?