Hendry signs Jones for 3/$16 million

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

[Andy]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

I disagree but my point is that you're the only one trying to keep us hopeful. Maybe you're just hoping some people gain hope and when we win 69 games you can laugh even more. :twisted:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we have Jones for three years, can we now trade Pie and Jerome Williams for Dunn?

[Blueheart05]

Don't we have to trade Pie now? Pierre is here for this year and probably beyond. Jones and Murton are locked up for the next 3 years at least. Patterson is currently our 4th outfielder and has an opportunity to change his fate with this team.

 

So the way I see it is the Cubs have to cash in their biggest chip with Pie and combine him in a trade with Hill and probably Jerome Williams and acquire the best possible veteran star level talent he can - be it a SP or a position player.

 

Of course you'd need to find a team willing to trade such a player for prospects and a SP. I'm starting to think that teams don't value Pie as much as we the fans do. It's either that or Hendry is dead set against trading him.

 

It's too bad we can't go back to last year's trade deadline when we could have added a star player by trading Pie and Hill. Their demand seemed to have peaked back then.

 

Not necessarily. Pie is only 20 so if he stays in the minors for three years he might be better off. Haing said that, Jones can still be traded if the Cubs choose to go with Pie in RF in the future. Hendry is hinting at wanting to lock up Pierre longterm at some point.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

I disagree but my point is that you're the only one trying to keep us hopeful. Maybe you're just hoping some people gain hope and when we win 69 games you can laugh even more. :twisted:

 

Believe me nothing would give me more joy than a small bears 69 win season but you guys are just depressed and ranting. If you look at the facts the Cubs have a decent chance of winning 90 games.

Edited December 21, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[XZero771679666304]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

[Keener98]

Well, Hendry better either get Tejada and a good platoon man for RF or hope the Cubs have lots of luck in the health department this season.

 

 

a team w/ a 100 mil payroll shouldn't need platoon buddies for their corner OFer's.

 

Good in theory, but what RF was out there that's far superior? Unfortunately, Giles & Abreu were pipedreams.

 

Bring on Rondell White.

 

YES

 

If we're forced into this crap, let's at least have some depth. White or C. Wilson should start on this team, but we should get them even though they won't because they aren't "athletic".

 

[rant]What bloody good does it do to be athletic in baseball? Is being athletic going to get you more hits? more extra base hits? More K's pitching? No, they don't do any of that. The only thing you could remotely claim it helps you is on a small handful of defensive plays, and I'm sure glad we sacrificed a vast majority of our offensive output trying to look good while we glide to the ball in the field.[/rant]

 

BTW, that was directed at Hendry's comments, not at anyone else.

 

Really, I think if Hendry adds a player like Eduardo Perez, White or Craig Wilson and keeps Walker and Patterson, I think we'll be all right. That is as long as the pitching comes through.

 

After hearing Hendry tonight after the Jones signing, CPatt is gone. He basically said the only reason they tendered him a contract was because teams weren't willing to deal for him because of the possibility of him being non-tendered. He also said he will do whats best for the Cubs first(yea I believe that :roll: ) and whats best for Corey 2nd. So I think the probability of Corey being on the Cubs next year is very very slim.

[Mizzou]

Any word on if he got a NTC?

[ThePenguin11]

Any word on if he got a NTC?

 

OMG, that would really, really blow this thing out of the water, wouldn't it?

[XZero771679666304]

Well, Hendry better either get Tejada and a good platoon man for RF or hope the Cubs have lots of luck in the health department this season.

 

 

a team w/ a 100 mil payroll shouldn't need platoon buddies for their corner OFer's.

 

Good in theory, but what RF was out there that's far superior? Unfortunately, Giles & Abreu were pipedreams.

 

Bring on Rondell White.

 

YES

 

If we're forced into this crap, let's at least have some depth. White or C. Wilson should start on this team, but we should get them even though they won't because they aren't "athletic".

 

[rant]What bloody good does it do to be athletic in baseball? Is being athletic going to get you more hits? more extra base hits? More K's pitching? No, they don't do any of that. The only thing you could remotely claim it helps you is on a small handful of defensive plays, and I'm sure glad we sacrificed a vast majority of our offensive output trying to look good while we glide to the ball in the field.[/rant]

 

BTW, that was directed at Hendry's comments, not at anyone else.

 

Really, I think if Hendry adds a player like Eduardo Perez, White or Craig Wilson and keeps Walker and Patterson, I think we'll be all right. That is as long as the pitching comes through.

 

After hearing Hendry tonight after the Jones signing, CPatt is gone. He basically said the only reason they tendered him a contract was because teams weren't willing to deal for him because of the possibility of him being non-tendered. He also said he will do whats best for the Cubs first(yea I believe that :roll: ) and whats best for Corey 2nd. So I think the probability of Corey being on the Cubs next year is very very slim.

 

Yeah, you're right. But I think the chances of Walker being dealt are dwindling, thankfully. And if the Cubs interest in Perez turns into a signing, we'll be OK.

[Blueheart05]

Any word on if he got a NTC?

 

 

LOL, yeah right. :lol: :lol:

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those things don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

[RockTheIvy]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those thing don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

Despite all the negativity, and believe me, I'm not happy at all with this signing, you are probably right. The production from the position players should be on par or better with last year (with Lee slipping, but the outfield picking up some slack), and if the pitching comes together, hopefully the restocked bullpen will pay off, this could be a decent team. But its success rests on a lot of factors which have yet to go the Chubbs way in the past few years.

 

Man, it takes a CARDSFAN to give you this kind of insight! :lol:

[CubfaninCA]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those things don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

Well, if Prior's average again, the season's over. If Prior & Wood return to 2003 form, the 2 year reign of the Cards is over.

[XZero771679666304]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those thing don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

The key is really the starting pitching. If Kerry come back in may and gives us 150+ innings, Prior gives us 200 innings (which I believe he will), and Z is Z, we will be competitive. People bemoan the offense, but if the season started tomorrow we would have amuch better offense than the 2003 NLCS squad did.

 

Hell, adding Eyre and Howry to our train wreck of a BP will improve the team by 5-10 games alone.

[Blueheart05]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those things don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

Well, if Prior's average again, the season's over. If Prior & Wood return to 2003 form, the 2 year reign of the Cards is over.

 

Was Prior average last year? I'd say he was above average but didn't get enough starts and innings.

 

Anyway, without good pitching this team is toast.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those thing don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

Despite all the negativity, and believe me, I'm not happy at all with this signing, you are probably right. The production from the position players should be on par or better with last year (with Lee slipping, but the outfield picking up some slack), and if the pitching comes together, hopefully the restocked bullpen will pay off, this could be a decent team. But its success rests on a lot of factors which have yet to go the Chubbs way in the past few years.

 

Man, it takes a CARDSFAN to give you this kind of insight! :lol:

 

I hear you, with the money the Cubs had they should be a lot better however the 05 team is really underrated and I feel they have upgraded that team. Now you consider the Astros and Cards most likely be worse... well...

 

 

POOP!

 

 

just so everyone knows I hate the cubs... I really do.

[UMFan83]

Just for fun lets compare the 2003 Cubs with the 2006 projected Cubs

 

C - Miller = Barrett. Miller was a terrible hitter but he clearly got the best out of the Cubs staff

1B - Karros/Choi/Simon < Lee

2B - Grudz > Walker

SS - KGonz < Cedeno. Gonz was a better fielder probably, but his .210 or so after the ASB average killed the Cubs. Cedeno is an unknown, but projects to be better then KGonz

3B - Bellhorn/ARam < Aram. If healthy

LF - Alou > Murton. Even though Alou had a down year and was slow and couldn't run the basepaths, this time the unknown variable works against a young player. Murton could end up better though

CF - Patterson/Lofton > Pierre. Just a gut feeling

RF - Sosa > Jones. Even as bad as he was..

 

SP

 

Prior > Prior. Guess its unfair to compare the same player 3 years later, but that Prior was healthy and has not put up the same numbers since, no matter the reason

Wood > Wood. Obviously

Zambrano < Zambrano. Don't get me wrong, Zambrano was awesome in 2003, but I think he is more mature and more dominant now.

Clement > Maddux. Sadly...

***** (name should be banned from the forum) < Rusch/Williams

 

BP

 

03 < 05. We've improved I'll grudgingly admit

 

Bench

 

03 > 05. No power in the 05 bench. Sadly, Troy O'Leary-like player is needed.

 

Overall, I think the '03 team is better, but not by much.

[Fred Hornkohl]

This is just too depressing. I'm gonna shut my computer off now and watch the X-Files until morning.

[CubfaninCA]

I just read 37 pages of thread. I'm as disgusted as anyone at this pathetic signing, and seats on the "I Hate Jim Hendry" BandWGN are going fast, so pick them up quickly.

 

Amazingly ironic that CFICT is the only one trying to be optimistic about this signing.

 

I hate Freedom Fries Jones.

 

Woah, woah, woah... I think JJ sucks. The Cubs 06 are just highly underrated on here right now.

 

I agree that Jones sucks, and I also agree that people are being ridiculously pessimistic. I am not a blue Kool-aid drinker, but a lot of people here are reminding me of lemmings right now.

 

Four keys for the Cubs in 06:

 

1) Prior pitches atleast 180 innings

2) DLee has a .950ish OPS

3) Demp is still a solid closer.

4) They keep Walker

 

If those 3 things happen the Cubs will be very very good. If all those things don't happen? They will still be pretty solid.

 

Well, if Prior's average again, the season's over. If Prior & Wood return to 2003 form, the 2 year reign of the Cards is over.

 

Was Prior average last year? I'd say he was above average but didn't get enough starts and innings.

 

Anyway, without good pitching this team is toast.

 

I had a problem w/ how he could never go deep into games, but I can agree w/ a little above average.

[Blueheart05]

Just for fun lets compare the 2003 Cubs with the 2006 projected Cubs

 

C - Miller = Barrett. Miller was a terrible hitter but he clearly got the best out of the Cubs staff

1B - Karros/Choi/Simon < Lee

2B - Grudz > Walker

SS - KGonz < Cedeno. Gonz was a better fielder probably, but his .210 or so after the ASB average killed the Cubs. Cedeno is an unknown, but projects to be better then KGonz

3B - Bellhorn/ARam < Aram. If healthy

LF - Alou > Murton. Even though Alou had a down year and was slow and couldn't run the basepaths, this time the unknown variable works against a young player. Murton could end up better though

CF - Patterson/Lofton > Pierre. Just a gut feeling

RF - Sosa > Jones. Even as bad as he was..

 

SP

 

Prior > Prior. Guess its unfair to compare the same player 3 years later, but that Prior was healthy and has not put up the same numbers since, no matter the reason

Wood > Wood. Obviously

Zambrano < Zambrano. Don't get me wrong, Zambrano was awesome in 2003, but I think he is more mature and more dominant now.

Clement > Maddux. Sadly...

***** (name should be banned from the forum) < Rusch/Williams

 

BP

 

03 < 05. We've improved I'll grudgingly admit

 

Bench

 

03 > 05. No power in the 05 bench. Sadly, Troy O'Leary-like player is needed.

 

Overall, I think the '03 team is better, but not by much.

 

I disagree. The 2003 team didn't get good until after the Break and even with the upgrades they were just barely good enough for the postseason.. That team got confident at the end and played beyond its talents (not that I wouldn't take that out of a WS winner but that's not talent). 2004 was a much better team but they underachieved

Edited December 21, 2005 by Blueheart05

[XZero771679666304]

Just for fun lets compare the 2003 Cubs with the 2006 projected Cubs

 

C - Miller = Barrett. Miller was a terrible hitter but he clearly got the best out of the Cubs staff

1B - Karros/Choi/Simon < Lee

2B - Grudz > Walker

SS - KGonz < Cedeno. Gonz was a better fielder probably, but his .210 or so after the ASB average killed the Cubs. Cedeno is an unknown, but projects to be better then KGonz

3B - Bellhorn/ARam < Aram. If healthy

LF - Alou > Murton. Even though Alou had a down year and was slow and couldn't run the basepaths, this time the unknown variable works against a young player. Murton could end up better though

CF - Patterson/Lofton > Pierre. Just a gut feeling

RF - Sosa > Jones. Even as bad as he was..

 

SP

 

Prior > Prior. Guess its unfair to compare the same player 3 years later, but that Prior was healthy and has not put up the same numbers since, no matter the reason

Wood > Wood. Obviously

Zambrano < Zambrano. Don't get me wrong, Zambrano was awesome in 2003, but I think he is more mature and more dominant now.

Clement > Maddux. Sadly...

***** (name should be banned from the forum) < Rusch/Williams

 

BP

 

03 < 05. We've improved I'll grudgingly admit

 

Bench

 

03 > 05. No power in the 05 bench. Sadly, Troy O'Leary-like player is needed.

 

Overall, I think the '03 team is better, but not by much.

 

I was talking offense.

 

C - Barrett >>>>Miller

1B - Lee >>>>>>>>> Karros/Choi/Simon

2B - Walker > Grudz Grudz had a career year in 2003, and Walker has a comparable OBP and a lot more power)

SS - Cedeno > KGon

3B - ARam >>> Bellhorn/Harris/2003 ARam

LF - Murton < Alou (though Alou had an average year at best)

CF - Pierre = Lofton

RF - Jones << Sosa

 

You remember the KGon-Miller black hole? Ugh. No more of that.

 

We don't know what the 2006 bench will look like, and there are good bench bats out there to be taken.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Don't we have to trade Pie now? Pierre is here for this year and probably beyond. Jones and Murton are locked up for the next 3 years at least. Patterson is currently our 4th outfielder and has an opportunity to change his fate with this team.

 

So the way I see it is the Cubs have to cash in their biggest chip with Pie and combine him in a trade with Hill and probably Jerome Williams and acquire the best possible veteran star level talent he can - be it a SP or a position player.

 

Of course you'd need to find a team willing to trade such a player for prospects and a SP. I'm starting to think that teams don't value Pie as much as we the fans do. It's either that or Hendry is dead set against trading him.

 

It's too bad we can't go back to last year's trade deadline when we could have added a star player by trading Pie and Hill. Their demand seemed to have peaked back then.

 

Not necessarily. Pie is only 20 so if he stays in the minors for three years he might be better off. Haing said that, Jones can still be traded if the Cubs choose to go with Pie in RF in the future. Hendry is hinting at wanting to lock up Pierre longterm at some point.

 

Pie is young and does need more time in the minors, but he definitely doesn't need to rot at West Tenn and Iowa for 3 years. That would be a complete waste of a player.

[mhuber92211]

This is just too depressing. I'm gonna shut my computer off now and watch the X-Files until morning.

 

You know its bad when Fred is not looking for a silver lining.

[Cubzfan64]

Signing Jones for RF isn't the worst thing in the world, what kills me is that it's for 3 years which imho is simply a stupid thing.

 

As a Cub fan all I can do now is suck it up and hope beyond all hope that Jones finds some way to outproduce Burnitz of 2005 at the very least and if nothing else builds up some trade value so we don't have to see him for all 3 years.

 

I do have one prediction though that I hope does not come true - JJ will lead the NL in SO's and runners left in scoring position.

 

For those of you who think keeping Walker will somewhat temper this signing, I'll bet anything Todd is gone before the season starts - for whatever reason I just think he's worn out his welcome with the organization and Hendry will find some way to move him for another spare part. Corey is likely gone as well, but I doubt we'll get anything of value for either one of them.

 

I'm really not all that excited about the 2006 Cubs, but I'm sure Hendry thinks he's addressed all the club needs and has put together a sure division champion.

 

:-(