Hendry signs Jones for 3/$16 million

[anemic offense]

This deal is either going to work out REALLY well, or its going to be a complete disaster. I don't even see a middle ground.

 

I don't mean to pick here but what evidence do you have that would lead you to believe it could even work out REALLy well? Pass the peace pipe 'cause I need a hit of that!

 

Honestly? Absolutely nothing. Maybe its the move from the Dome to Wrigley. Maybe its the excitement of playing on a new team. Maybe its the expertise hitting intstruction he'll get from Neifi. Maybe its the fact he should see some good pitches. Moreover, its just a hunch. Nothing more nothing less.

[Cubzfan64]

This deal is either going to work out REALLY well, or its going to be a complete disaster. I don't even see a middle ground.

 

I don't mean to pick here but what evidence do you have that would lead you to believe it could even work out REALLy well? Pass the peace pipe 'cause I need a hit of that!

 

Honestly? Absolutely nothing. Maybe its the move from the Dome to Wrigley. Maybe its the excitement of playing on a new team. Maybe its the expertise hitting intstruction he'll get from Neifi. Maybe its the fact he should see some good pitches. Moreover, its just a hunch. Nothing more nothing less.

 

A hunch or a wish? :-) I believe Jones will be an upgrade offensively from Burnitz, but I'm pretty confident it's a wish and not based on anything else unfortunately.

[CubbieSouthpaw]

I think if this happens it's pretty safe to say the Cubs offseason has been a bust.

 

Safe to say the Cubs and the Cards.

 

But the Cards are still better than us.

 

That my dear sir is correct. That is what I'm so ticked about. I don't have a hatred toward the Cards. I've enjoyed watching many games at Busch, as long as they weren't playing the Cubs I even got caught up in the fun and cheered for them. They have been a fun team to watch. But I still am true blue and it irks the crap out of me to see this halfa$$ed approach to fielding a top notch team.

People on here have convinced me that Hendry just is not able to get the job done.

 

The few don't out weigh the many.

[cubweiser03]

I heard Jones saying that he is going to work on his patience at the plate. He said he did last year but needs to work on it more. The problem is he NEEDS to work on his AVG. Having an OBP of .319 with a batting average of .249 isnt all that bad. IF he could get his average to a respectable .280 and maintain these walks this could be good signing. IF he could get his average to .300 like he did 02 and 03 and maintain his BB similar to last year this would be a great signing. Big IFS considering hes batted .254 and .249 the last 2 years. Those scouts better be right like they were with Barrett. The risked a lot money on these IF's.

[professahesse]

Yes, we all get together to decide what should be the board response to every post. Thanks for the assinine post.

 

That is not the meaning of group think, and knock it off with the assinine comment.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I think if this happens it's pretty safe to say the Cubs offseason has been a bust.

 

Safe to say the Cubs and the Cards.

 

But the Cards are still better than us.

Not Head to head in 05', the Cubs dominated the Cards taking the season series 10-6.

[CubsWin]

Well this is a thoroughly disappointing signing that I do not understand in the least. Hendry is looking like he should not be given an extension after this move. The off season is far from over so he better not be done. The only way I can understand Jones joining the Cubs would be as a platoon player and that might still be the case, but why sign a platoon player for 3 years? I can't find any intelligent justification for signing Jones to a 3-year contract worth 16 million. Can anyone?

 

I'm not saying the Cubs won't make the playoffs this year. Anything can happen. Moves are still to be made. But I'm not seeing how this signing improved their chances of making them...

[jmajew]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but Rob Neyer was pretty critical of Hendry in his article today.

 

And then there's Jacque Jones. I know the words above will draw a healthy response for those who consider me a "Yankee-hater" ... but hold your fire, because I've got some truly nasty things to say about Jim Hendry and Jacque Jones.

 

Last night, I read a long story about the Cubs signing Jones to a three-year deal worth $16 million. Honestly, the money is not a big deal. The Cubs can afford it. The problem is that Jones will, for the next three seasons, be in the lineup nearly every day (notwithstanding trade or injury). In this particular story, I "learned" that:

 

• According to Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, Jones has "a lot of upside in him" (he's going to be 31 next season);

 

• Jones is "patient at the plate" (his career high in walks, set last season, is 51);

 

• Hendry's scouts told him that Jones' struggles in the last two seasons were perhaps because "Jones tried to carry the Twins," who had to deal with injuries to key players such as Torii Hunter and Shannon Stewart.

 

On the other hand, here's what I learned in three minutes of quality time on the Interweb: Jones batted .300 in 2002 and '03 not because he was relaxed. He batted .300 because he was 27 and 28. He's not at all patient and figures to draw something like 40 walks in 150 games. The Cubs finished second in the National League last season with 194 home runs, but ranked just ninth in scoring. Why? Because their .324 on-base percentage ranked 11th in the league.

 

Jones' OBP over the last two seasons?

 

 

.317

Jones is exactly the sort of player the Cubs don't need, and it's incredibly negligent of Hendry to ignore a fact so evident.

 

I'm happy atleast one reporter is saying it. I hope it starts to come out in the Chicago Media.

[imb]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but Rob Neyer was pretty critical of Hendry in his article today.

 

And then there's Jacque Jones. I know the words above will draw a healthy response for those who consider me a "Yankee-hater" ... but hold your fire, because I've got some truly nasty things to say about Jim Hendry and Jacque Jones.

 

Last night, I read a long story about the Cubs signing Jones to a three-year deal worth $16 million. Honestly, the money is not a big deal. The Cubs can afford it. The problem is that Jones will, for the next three seasons, be in the lineup nearly every day (notwithstanding trade or injury). In this particular story, I "learned" that:

 

• According to Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, Jones has "a lot of upside in him" (he's going to be 31 next season);

 

• Jones is "patient at the plate" (his career high in walks, set last season, is 51);

 

• Hendry's scouts told him that Jones' struggles in the last two seasons were perhaps because "Jones tried to carry the Twins," who had to deal with injuries to key players such as Torii Hunter and Shannon Stewart.

 

On the other hand, here's what I learned in three minutes of quality time on the Interweb: Jones batted .300 in 2002 and '03 not because he was relaxed. He batted .300 because he was 27 and 28. He's not at all patient and figures to draw something like 40 walks in 150 games. The Cubs finished second in the National League last season with 194 home runs, but ranked just ninth in scoring. Why? Because their .324 on-base percentage ranked 11th in the league.

 

Jones' OBP over the last two seasons?

 

 

.317

Jones is exactly the sort of player the Cubs don't need, and it's incredibly negligent of Hendry to ignore a fact so evident.

 

I'm happy atleast one reporter is saying it. I hope it starts to come out in the Chicago Media.

 

It's just overreaction and groupthink.

 

Oh wait, he never posted here did he? oops.

[CuseCubFan69]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but Rob Neyer was pretty critical of Hendry in his article today.

 

And then there's Jacque Jones. I know the words above will draw a healthy response for those who consider me a "Yankee-hater" ... but hold your fire, because I've got some truly nasty things to say about Jim Hendry and Jacque Jones.

 

Last night, I read a long story about the Cubs signing Jones to a three-year deal worth $16 million. Honestly, the money is not a big deal. The Cubs can afford it. The problem is that Jones will, for the next three seasons, be in the lineup nearly every day (notwithstanding trade or injury). In this particular story, I "learned" that:

 

• According to Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, Jones has "a lot of upside in him" (he's going to be 31 next season);

 

• Jones is "patient at the plate" (his career high in walks, set last season, is 51);

 

• Hendry's scouts told him that Jones' struggles in the last two seasons were perhaps because "Jones tried to carry the Twins," who had to deal with injuries to key players such as Torii Hunter and Shannon Stewart.

 

On the other hand, here's what I learned in three minutes of quality time on the Interweb: Jones batted .300 in 2002 and '03 not because he was relaxed. He batted .300 because he was 27 and 28. He's not at all patient and figures to draw something like 40 walks in 150 games. The Cubs finished second in the National League last season with 194 home runs, but ranked just ninth in scoring. Why? Because their .324 on-base percentage ranked 11th in the league.

 

Jones' OBP over the last two seasons?

 

 

.317

Jones is exactly the sort of player the Cubs don't need, and it's incredibly negligent of Hendry to ignore a fact so evident.

 

I'm happy atleast one reporter is saying it. I hope it starts to come out in the Chicago Media.

 

Some guy from Baseball Prospectus that was interviewed on ESPNews said about the same thing. "The Cubs still don't understand the value of OBP."

[CubsWin]

It's just overreaction and groupthink.

 

Oh wait, he never posted here did he? oops.

On the signing of Jones? No. Perez? No. But there is evidence to support "overreaction" in response to the signings of Eyre and Howry.

 

But this Jones signing is very difficult to understand. I sincerely hope Hendry gets asked some very straightforward and angry questions about it at the convention. And I hope the fans come ready to make their point using stats, particularly OBP.

 

I also hope that Hendry isn't done getting OFers or starters this off-season. But this signing makes me wonder if they are ever going to come.

[goonys evil twin]

But there is evidence to support "overreaction" in response to the signings of Eyre and Howry.

 

What evidence. How do we judge the proper reaction so we can then go back and see what is too much or too little? I don't see why people care so much about whether or not other fans are too harsh on the Cubs' moves. Let people vent. Then when it's all over go back and talk about it rationally.

[woodprior04]

funny, yet true

 

Sorry if it's already been posted.

[E.J.]

funny, yet true

 

Sorry if it's already been posted.

 

haha. Too bad it's completely true.

[Jon]

funny, yet true

 

Sorry if it's already been posted.

Should've gone after that pitcher instead.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think if this happens it's pretty safe to say the Cubs offseason has been a bust.

 

Safe to say the Cubs and the Cards.

 

But the Cards are still better than us.

Not Head to head in 05', the Cubs dominated the Cards taking the season series 10-6.

 

But head-to-head record against one team in the division won't necessarily win the Central for the Cubs. The Cardinals are more likely to win the Central than the Cubs, despite their poor offseason.

[Bruce Miles]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but Rob Neyer was pretty critical of Hendry in his article today.

 

And then there's Jacque Jones. I know the words above will draw a healthy response for those who consider me a "Yankee-hater" ... but hold your fire, because I've got some truly nasty things to say about Jim Hendry and Jacque Jones.

 

Last night, I read a long story about the Cubs signing Jones to a three-year deal worth $16 million. Honestly, the money is not a big deal. The Cubs can afford it. The problem is that Jones will, for the next three seasons, be in the lineup nearly every day (notwithstanding trade or injury). In this particular story, I "learned" that:

 

• According to Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, Jones has "a lot of upside in him" (he's going to be 31 next season);

 

• Jones is "patient at the plate" (his career high in walks, set last season, is 51);

 

• Hendry's scouts told him that Jones' struggles in the last two seasons were perhaps because "Jones tried to carry the Twins," who had to deal with injuries to key players such as Torii Hunter and Shannon Stewart.

 

On the other hand, here's what I learned in three minutes of quality time on the Interweb: Jones batted .300 in 2002 and '03 not because he was relaxed. He batted .300 because he was 27 and 28. He's not at all patient and figures to draw something like 40 walks in 150 games. The Cubs finished second in the National League last season with 194 home runs, but ranked just ninth in scoring. Why? Because their .324 on-base percentage ranked 11th in the league.

 

Jones' OBP over the last two seasons?

 

 

.317

Jones is exactly the sort of player the Cubs don't need, and it's incredibly negligent of Hendry to ignore a fact so evident.

 

I'm happy atleast one reporter is saying it. I hope it starts to come out in the Chicago Media.

 

It has come out in the Chicago media _ if you're looking at the right paper. I don't think the letters OPS were printed in any paper but the Daily Herald today. The issue of OBP and OPS were prominent in my story and they have been ever since the Jones discussions began. Thanks for the opportunity for the shameless plug.

[treebird]

funny, yet true

 

Sorry if it's already been posted.

Should've gone after that pitcher instead.

 

it's probably eric milton

[goonys evil twin]

It has come out in the Chicago media _ if you're looking at the right paper. I don't think the letters OPS were printed in any paper but the Daily Herald today. The issue of OBP and OPS were prominent in my story and they have been ever since the Jones discussions began. Thanks for the opportunity for the shameless plug.

 

No shame in that.

[UK1679666180]

And Barrett’s got a little pop for a catcher.

 

This being typically known as a Hendry target long before he acq'd him.

 

Well from an offensive standpoint, Barrett was the most productive C in the League. So.... yeah, he's "got a little pop for a catcher". :)

[Guest]

funny, yet true

 

Sorry if it's already been posted.

Neifi K'ed on 77 mph gas (from a pitcher who throws like a girl. Literally.). Fitting.

The entire article/discussion is simultaneously the funniest and most depressing thing I've read in my entire life.

[SouthSideRyan]

I got him to change the Pierre K to a pop out. Pretty proud of my self-loathing of my Cub fandom.

[WrigleyField 22]

Heh, I just realized that with a three year deal, Jones will contribute to our suckage until 2008- just long enough to extend our streak past 100 years.

 

101 years later... 2009 baby!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but Rob Neyer was pretty critical of Hendry in his article today.

 

And then there's Jacque Jones. I know the words above will draw a healthy response for those who consider me a "Yankee-hater" ... but hold your fire, because I've got some truly nasty things to say about Jim Hendry and Jacque Jones.

 

Last night, I read a long story about the Cubs signing Jones to a three-year deal worth $16 million. Honestly, the money is not a big deal. The Cubs can afford it. The problem is that Jones will, for the next three seasons, be in the lineup nearly every day (notwithstanding trade or injury). In this particular story, I "learned" that:

 

• According to Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, Jones has "a lot of upside in him" (he's going to be 31 next season);

 

• Jones is "patient at the plate" (his career high in walks, set last season, is 51);

 

• Hendry's scouts told him that Jones' struggles in the last two seasons were perhaps because "Jones tried to carry the Twins," who had to deal with injuries to key players such as Torii Hunter and Shannon Stewart.

 

On the other hand, here's what I learned in three minutes of quality time on the Interweb: Jones batted .300 in 2002 and '03 not because he was relaxed. He batted .300 because he was 27 and 28. He's not at all patient and figures to draw something like 40 walks in 150 games. The Cubs finished second in the National League last season with 194 home runs, but ranked just ninth in scoring. Why? Because their .324 on-base percentage ranked 11th in the league.

 

Jones' OBP over the last two seasons?

 

 

.317

Jones is exactly the sort of player the Cubs don't need, and it's incredibly negligent of Hendry to ignore a fact so evident.

 

I'm happy atleast one reporter is saying it. I hope it starts to come out in the Chicago Media.

 

It has come out in the Chicago media _ if you're looking at the right paper. I don't think the letters OPS were printed in any paper but the Daily Herald today. The issue of OBP and OPS were prominent in my story and they have been ever since the Jones discussions began. Thanks for the opportunity for the shameless plug.

 

Bruce, can I look forward to a scathing critique of this regime if and when Walker is traded for trash?

[CubsWin]

But there is evidence to support "overreaction" in response to the signings of Eyre and Howry.

 

What evidence. How do we judge the proper reaction so we can then go back and see what is too much or too little? I don't see why people care so much about whether or not other fans are too harsh on the Cubs' moves. Let people vent. Then when it's all over go back and talk about it rationally.

Uh, I am letting people vent. I said nothing about "outlawing" overreacting. Or saying that venting was bad and shouldn't be allowed. I'm just calling it what it is, an overreaction.

 

Often the content of venting is illogical. If when challenged that what they are saying is inaccurate (and often disrespectful as well), the venting poster would say, "Yeah, I know, I'm just venting", my reply would be,"Oh, okay, cool. Vent away." But rarely if ever is that the reply. In fact, I have seen unchecked assertions made in these "venting sessions" that many posters still hold as the truth later on.

 

As far as the evidence you asked for, if you go back and read those threads, there were many posts labeling the Eyre and Howry signings as bad moves. These posters had their reasons, for sure, but many of those reasons were little more than hunches and opinions which were being treated as facts. And some posters simply condemned Hendry and the signing without providing any reasons. To me, that is an overreaction.

 

Is overreacting wrong? No. It is very human. I've never said it was wrong or unallowable. I seek to stop no one from expressing any opinion they have. I only seek to remind everyone that these are just opinions, some better supported than others. Not the truth. And I think we often forget that.

 

BTW, I love your sig, goony. :wink: