Levine reporting about Tejada and Cubs

[Transmogrified Tiger]

CF Pierre

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

SS Tejada

LF Murton

C Barrett

RF ?

 

I know everyone would like to see something guaranteed solid to fill that question mark, but the quesion has to be asked:

 

does that lineup allow the Corey Patterson Experiment to continue on the northside of Chicago?

 

Would Cliff Floyd playing RF be enough to allow Neifi to start at SS? Same question.

[Andy]

CF Pierre

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

SS Tejada

LF Murton

C Barrett

RF ?

 

I know everyone would like to see something guaranteed solid to fill that question mark, but the quesion has to be asked:

 

does that lineup allow the Corey Patterson Experiment to continue on the northside of Chicago?

Not if Milton Bradley gets non-tendered, or if we can get him for dirt cheap. But such a thing would cause our offense to be too talented for words, so four or five of them would probably get hurt before Opening Day. :wink:

[Salazar89]

Wouldn't bother me one bit if it did. Give Patterson a few more months to prove himself. If its a repeat of last years performance.........we have plenty of $ to pick up a capable RF around trading deadline time.

 

His value is at an all-time low, why not hang on to see if he can rebound.

[Sarcastic]

CF Pierre

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

SS Tejada

LF Murton

C Barrett

RF ?

 

I know everyone would like to see something guaranteed solid to fill that question mark, but the quesion has to be asked:

 

does that lineup allow the Corey Patterson Experiment to continue on the northside of Chicago?

 

Would Cliff Floyd playing RF be enough to allow Neifi to start at SS? Same question.

 

Not quite the same, in that Perez will almost definitely not improve, while it is possible, though unlikely, that Patterson will rebound and actually have a bit of value.

[UK1679666180]

At this stage I would be against under of those scenarios b/c there is currently plenty of supply to improve RF beyond Patterson and SS w/Perez.

 

They'd survive and likely improve over last year's offense, but they wouldn't maximize their offensive potential with CP or Perez in the line-up.

[jjgman21]

CF Pierre

2B Walker

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

SS Tejada

LF Murton

C Barrett

RF ?

 

I know everyone would like to see something guaranteed solid to fill that question mark, but the quesion has to be asked:

 

does that lineup allow the Corey Patterson Experiment to continue on the northside of Chicago?

 

Would Cliff Floyd playing RF be enough to allow Neifi to start at SS? Same question.

 

than my mind is made up. I want Bradley more than anyone, even Tejada, but it has to get done without trading Walker.

[OleMissCub]

 

than my mind is made up. I want Bradley more than anyone, even Tejada, but it has to get done without trading Walker.

 

Why so high on Milton? Guy has never played a complete season and only played over 100 game twice in his many years. Getting him would be a prototypical cubs pickup of getting some guy who is going to blow a ligament 2 weeks into the season.

[UMFan83]

 

than my mind is made up. I want Bradley more than anyone, even Tejada, but it has to get done without trading Walker.

 

Why so high on Milton? Guy has never played a complete season and only played over 100 game twice in his many years. Getting him would be a prototypical cubs pickup of getting some guy who is going to blow a ligament 2 weeks into the season.

 

Maybe because in limited time he has shown the potential to put up good numbers and Hendry would be hoping to catch a stroke of luck and have MB put it together for relatively cheap. Of course, Hendry would be playing "Moneyball" with a large market team

[jjgman21]

 

than my mind is made up. I want Bradley more than anyone, even Tejada, but it has to get done without trading Walker.

 

Why so high on Milton? Guy has never played a complete season and only played over 100 game twice in his many years. Getting him would be a prototypical cubs pickup of getting some guy who is going to blow a ligament 2 weeks into the season.

 

because last night I looked into his injury history and came to the conclusion that he's no more injury prone than the next player.

 

May 2-June 4, 2002 - ball ricocheted off the outfield wall when trying to make a catch, breaking a his orbital bone

 

August 12-August 30, 2002 - appendicitis

 

April 23-May 8, 2003 - high ankle sprain diving for a ball. probably could have played through it if given a few days off, but put on the DL because it was April.

 

August 10-October 3, 2003 - tweaked back on a swing

 

May 30-July 15 - torn ligament in his finger on a swing

 

August 10, 2005-now - blew out knee similar to the way Patterson did.

 

my only real concern is he injured himself twice on swings. he's had some injuries, most of them flukes, but he's no JD Drew in the injury department.

 

plus, these are his games played over his career before 2002, when the fluke injuries began

 

1997 - 59 (short season)

1998 - 142 (low and high A)

1999 - 86 (AA)

2000 - 120 (AAA and splitting time in Majors)

2001 - 152 (AAA and Majors)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

 

Nomar's played 142 games the last 2 years. Bradley has played 216. Nomar is a sidearming SS, and Bradley is a well above average defensive CF. I think Bradley would make a much easier transition there than Nomar.

[OleMissCub]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

 

Nomar's played 142 games the last 2 years. Bradley has played 216. Nomar is a sidearming SS, and Bradley is a well above average defensive CF. I think Bradley would make a much easier transition there than Nomar.

 

until he fires a ball at a bleacher bum who crosses him the wrong way

[Mizzou]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

 

Nomar's played 142 games the last 2 years. Bradley has played 216. Nomar is a sidearming SS, and Bradley is a well above average defensive CF. I think Bradley would make a much easier transition there than Nomar.

 

until he fires a ball at a bleacher bum who crosses him the wrong way

:lol:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

 

Nomar's played 142 games the last 2 years. Bradley has played 216. Nomar is a sidearming SS, and Bradley is a well above average defensive CF. I think Bradley would make a much easier transition there than Nomar.

 

It really doesn't matter considering we would need to find a viable replacement for either when they were on the DL for a month or two. Bradley is an injury risk just as much as Nomar is an injury risk. Neither can stay healthy for an entire season, who cares if Milty has played in more games the past couple (including the whopping 75 this past season)?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs get Tejada, would Encarnacion make a passable rightfielder?

[Tim]

If the Cubs get Tejada, would Encarnacion make a passable rightfielder?

No.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If the Cubs get Tejada, would Encarnacion make a passable rightfielder?

 

Edwin maybe, not Juan.

[XZero771679666304]

If the Cubs get Tejada, would Encarnacion make a passable rightfielder?

No.

 

If we got Tejada, I think we could settle for Jacque Jones. And I think the lack of trade bait that would be left would prevent us from acquiring a top notch alternative, unless Texas is willing to give up Wilkerson for very little.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the offer of Hill, Marshall and Pie is used to get Tejada, I still think we may have enough chips to get Milton Bradley or one of the corner guys from Arizona.

 

If you trade for Tejada without using Cedeno or Walker, you could trade either one of those in a package for a corner outfielder. Of course, if we trade Hill and Marshall, we'll have used up much of the young pitchers in the system.

[XZero771679666304]

If the offer of Hill, Marshall and Pie is used to get Tejada, I still think we may have enough chips to get Milton Bradley or one of the corner guys from Arizona.

 

If you trade for Tejada without using Cedeno or Walker, you could trade either one of those in a package for a corner outfielder. Of course, if we trade Hill and Marshall, we'll have used up much of the young pitchers in the system.

 

Don't you think Baltimore would want Cedeno? Do they have another SS waiting in the wings?

[Warpticon]

Honestly, I'd rather keep Patterson and try him in RF than sign Jacque Jones. Jones and Patterson are basically the same player, only Patterson is four years younger and has a chance of being much better than he was last year. Factor in that Jones will also be more expensive, and bleh.

 

Of course, I'd also rather bring back Burnitz than go with Jones. Jones is a very poor RF option.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the offer of Hill, Marshall and Pie is used to get Tejada, I still think we may have enough chips to get Milton Bradley or one of the corner guys from Arizona.

 

If you trade for Tejada without using Cedeno or Walker, you could trade either one of those in a package for a corner outfielder. Of course, if we trade Hill and Marshall, we'll have used up much of the young pitchers in the system.

 

Don't you think Baltimore would want Cedeno? Do they have another SS waiting in the wings?

 

I'm just commenting on the rumor that was reported in the other thread. And yes, I assumed they'd want Cedeno.

[XZero771679666304]

Honestly, I'd rather keep Patterson and try him in RF than sign Jacque Jones. Jones and Patterson are basically the same player, only Patterson is four years younger and has a chance of being much better than he was last year. Factor in that Jones will also be more expensive, and bleh.

 

Of course, I'd also rather bring back Burnitz than go with Jones. Jones is a very poor RF option.

 

I agree about Patterson, but Hendry seems hell bent on trading he and Walker, so I am taking them out of my equation.

 

And while I think there are better options via trade, I don't want to see Hendry clear empty the entire cupboard.

[jjgman21]

It's a sad commentary when types of injuries need to be scrutinized in order to determine his overall risk, especially when his injury history takes a back seat to his character. If taking a gamble on an offensive threat with a history of injuries was something worth taking, why wasn't Nomar brought back? At least he has always been well respected by fans and teammates, and he is a dominating offensive presence when healthy.

 

And don't give me any garbage about Nomar not being a RF. Neither is Bradley.

 

Nomar's played 142 games the last 2 years. Bradley has played 216. Nomar is a sidearming SS, and Bradley is a well above average defensive CF. I think Bradley would make a much easier transition there than Nomar.

 

Bradley doesn't have chronically injured wrists and never had his groin muscle rip off the bone trying to get out of the batter's box, nor does he get the multi annual pulls that always kept Nomar out. saying both are a similar injury risk is not an accurate assessment.

[gflore34]

Didn't I read Jones wanted 3 years? Nevertheless, if a miracle occurs and the Cubs somehow trade for Tejada he'll more than offset a lack of production from Jones in RF. Heck, in such a scenario, Jones might be the best 8th place hitter in the NL. Wow the Cubs with a lineup better than, gulp, the almighty Cardinals? Hendry and the Cubs may even get a passing offseason grade from FoxSports!