Levine reporting about Tejada and Cubs

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bradley doesn't have chronically injured wrists and never had his groin muscle rip off the bone trying to get out of the batter's box, nor does he get the multi annual pulls that always kept Nomar out. saying both are a similar injury risk is not an accurate assessment.

 

The part you are refusing to believe here is that it absolutely in no way matters how the injuries take place. Period. The fact that neither can stay healthy means they are both injury risks. And yes Nomar's groin was torn away while Bradley's stayed in tact last year. What was the end result? Bradley played in 13 more games than Nomar in 2005. Color me impressed.

[OleMissCub]

I don't think it matters if Bradley's injuries are random or not, they still show me that his body is injury prone. How many times have we seen players dive for balls and plow into the ground, run into walls, foul balls of their legs, twist an ankle over a base, and STILL be ok. Players get dinged up all the time in baseball. When I played I was never 100 percent, not ever.

 

The fact that these freak accidents actually cause him injury, time and time again, just shows that his body is not dependable.

[jjgman21]

Bradley doesn't have chronically injured wrists and never had his groin muscle rip off the bone trying to get out of the batter's box, nor does he get the multi annual pulls that always kept Nomar out. saying both are a similar injury risk is not an accurate assessment.

 

The part you are refusing to believe here is that it absolutely in no way matters how the injuries take place. Period. The fact that neither can stay healthy means they are both injury risks. And yes Nomar's groin was torn away while Bradley's stayed in tact last year. What was the end result? Bradley played in 13 more games than Nomar in 2005. Color me impressed.

 

The part you are refusing to believe here is that you saying it with conviction makes it no more true.

 

you seriously don't understand the difference between chronic injuries and random injuries? here's a hint, one is a good indicator of future injury, the other not so much. the record books are full of guys who were injured alot early on and went on to play several years.

 

here's an example. there's a player that was on the DL for half of 1989, half of 1991, a month of 1993, twice in 96 (total of 2 months), 15 games in 1997, 100 games in 1998. he's spent 15 days on the DL since.

 

now don't you wish the Cardinals considered there centerfielder too injury prone to acquired him in 2000?

 

edit: oh yeah, Mark Prior. willing to keep gambling on that guy?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The part you are refusing to believe here is that you saying it with conviction makes it no more true.

 

you seriously don't understand the difference between chronic injuries and random injuries? here's a hint, one is a good indicator of future injury, the other not so much. the record books are full of guys who were injured alot early on and went on to play several years.

 

here's an example. there's a player that was on the DL for half of 1989, half of 1991, a month of 1993, twice in 96 (total of 2 months), 15 games in 1997, 100 games in 1998. he's spent 15 days on the DL since.

 

now don't you wish the Cardinals considered there centerfielder too injury prone to acquired him in 2000?

 

Injuries are injuries. Hints are hints. Record books are record books. What it boils down to is this:

 

If player A misses 75 games per year because he has chronic problems with X, and player B misses 75 games per year because he doesn't have the durability to withstand whatever may happen to him, THEY ARE BOTH MISSING 75 GAMES EACH YEAR. Regardless of the types of injuries, both show a history of not being able to stay healthy.

 

And I'll echo what OleMissCub said. He seems to be fragile and undependable. Add that to his questionable character, and I'll pass. Someone with a chronic problem can at least seek preventative treatments.

 

Let's go back to Nomar's groin. How was that a chronic problem? Has he had a history of his groin becoming detached? I don't recall hearing that about him before, maybe I'm wrong. And what happened with Bradley last year? What was so superior about him and his time off that enabled him to play in an astonishing 13 more games than Nomar?

[jjgman21]

 

Let's go back to Nomar's groin. How was that a chronic problem? Has he had a history of his groin becoming detached? I don't recall hearing that about him before, maybe I'm wrong. And what happened with Bradley last year? What was so superior about him and his time off that enabled him to play in an astonishing 13 more games than Nomar

 

in fact, Nomar did have a history of groin pulls. what happened to last year is Bradley blew out his knee similar to the way Patterson did. a ligit injury as a result of playing hard. what happened to Nomar would not have happened to a healthy, non-injury prone body. and that is what this all comes down to. there doesn't seem to be certain body parts injured over and over, like with Nomar and JD Drew.

 

you didn't answer my questions. aren't you disappointed the Card didn't scare away from Edmonds injury history? ready to give up on Prior? I mean he's injury prone, so we should get what we can for him now, right? Aram too, right?

 

exactly how much time does a guy have to miss before he is officially injury prone? Beltran missed two months in 2000, missed a month in 2003, and now a chunk of 2005. is he now injury prone whereas before the all-star break he was not injury prone? should we refuse him based on injury if he were available for a song like Bradley probably will be?

[OleMissCub]

I'd classify Prior and Beltran as injury prone.

[jjgman21]

I'd classify Prior and Beltran as injury prone.

 

was the magical moment when Beltran's face smashed into Cameron's face? I mean a tough, non injury prone player wouldn't have missed any time because of that, right? or is it that non injury prone players wouldn't have been going all out for that ball like Beltran was?

 

and for Prior, did it happen when the line drive went off his elbow, or when Giles ran into him? (incidentally, I think he's injury prone too, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to let him ride it out and hope for the best)

 

when exactly is the moment when a player goes from a guy who has had a couple injuries, to an injury prone player?

 

the RedSox once decided Clemens was injury prone. 5 Cy Youngs later, you think they don't regret letting him walk?

[NorthsideAvenger]

First: Possibly getting Tejada would be one heck of a Christmas present.

 

Second: As much as those knuckleheads in Boston think they can get Tejada, I simply don't see Baltimore trade Tejada for Ramirez. Now if Boston would offer Marte, Peplobon (sp?), Declarman and/or Alvarez, then I believe Baltimore would be more interested. Baltimore ain't going to take theheacache that is Ramirez for Tejada.

 

Third: I would rate the Cubs as the 2nd most likely team to get Tejada, just behind the Angels....The Angels have Aybar/Hendrick/Woood/Callespo (sp?) that they could use, then add in either MacPherson/Kotchman, and maybe Shields or Santana....The Angels could DWARFED the Cubs in offer. But, if I was Jim, I still put my best offer on the table.