Marlins want Pie

[snoodmonger]

Pie is only half the player Pierre is.

 

 

 

:wink:

 

fantastic work. Seriously.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

[sherwood921]

Along with table setters doesnt Hendry also want defensive players. Pierre would probably be the defensive equivelant to Todd Walker at 2nd. Since Walker is a better offensive player I just dont get going after Pierre. We dont want Walker because he cant play defense very well, yet we go after Pierre because he is a table setter who doesnt play defense very well.

 

I think Hendry is reading too much into the White Sox success this year and is missing the key point. It was pitching not Podsednik.

 

Exactly

[Andy]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

If Juan Cruz is the best prospect in our organization, or if he ever was, then I shudder at the thought of the future of the Cubs.

[Proven Veteran]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

If Juan Cruz is the best prospect in our organization, or if he ever was, then I shudder at the thought of the future of the Cubs.

 

"Two years ago, Juan Cruz ranked with Mark Prior as the top prospects in the Cubs farm system. But Cruz has been unable to claim a spot in Chicago's rotation and the club tired of waiting for him to live up to his potential. On Thursday, the Cubs stopped waiting, trading him and minor league lefthander Steve Smyth to the Braves for two prospects, lefty Andy Pratt and second baseman Richard Lewis."

 

From Baseball America.

 

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He was also the #6 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2002 according to BA, ahead of Mark Teixeira and Joe Mauer among others.

[Andy]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

If Juan Cruz is the best prospect in our organization, or if he ever was, then I shudder at the thought of the future of the Cubs.

 

"Two years ago, Juan Cruz ranked with Mark Prior as the top prospects in the Cubs farm system. But Cruz has been unable to claim a spot in Chicago's rotation and the club tired of waiting for him to live up to his potential. On Thursday, the Cubs stopped waiting, trading him and minor league lefthander Steve Smyth to the Braves for two prospects, lefty Andy Pratt and second baseman Richard Lewis."

 

From Baseball America.

 

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He was also the #6 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2002 according to BA, ahead of Mark Teixeira and Joe Mauer among others.

I am intrigued as to what anyone in Baseball America saw in Cruz. Apart from his impressive first start late in 2001, he never once did anything close to living up to his potential.

[rawaction]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

If Juan Cruz is the best prospect in our organization, or if he ever was, then I shudder at the thought of the future of the Cubs.

 

"Two years ago, Juan Cruz ranked with Mark Prior as the top prospects in the Cubs farm system. But Cruz has been unable to claim a spot in Chicago's rotation and the club tired of waiting for him to live up to his potential. On Thursday, the Cubs stopped waiting, trading him and minor league lefthander Steve Smyth to the Braves for two prospects, lefty Andy Pratt and second baseman Richard Lewis."

 

From Baseball America.

 

:|

 

He was also the #6 prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2002 according to BA, ahead of Mark Teixeira and Joe Mauer among others.

I am intrigued as to what anyone in Baseball America saw in Cruz. Apart from his impressive first start late in 2001, he never once did anything close to living up to his potential.

 

What they saw was him dominate the minor leagues at a young age with a 95+ mph fastball, a solid changeup and a killer slider. He deserved all the props he got. He hasn't lived up to it, but that doesn't mean they were wrong.

[JeffH]

Over time, Cruz's command of the fastball got worse, not better.

[UK1679666180]

As much as I like Pie, it is still too early to let his future impact dictate what they do in the present. If the Cubs get a chance to obtain a CF'er who's contract might run into Pie's arrival to the majors then you have a luxury, not a problem. I wouldn't trade a CF'er (if he is productive) on the hopes Pie comes in and does well. Nothing is certain and while everyone is aware of Pie's ceiling, I'd like to see what he can do in a large enough sample to where Hendry can say "our current CF'er is expendable b/c we're confident in what we've seen from Pie at the MLB level" and not making a move before doing so. I wouldn't do anything premature, they need a CF'er for '06 and the length of that contract should not factor into the decision. Edited November 10, 2005 by UK

[nt3d]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

If Juan Cruz is the best prospect in our organization, or if he ever was, then I shudder at the thought of the future of the Cubs.

 

Juan Cruz at one time was rated higher than Mark Prior by Baseball America.

[woodprior04]

The Fish must think the Cubs are the same morans they were when they dealt Willis.

 

Or maybe they just think they are the same morans that gave Neifi Perez $5 million.

 

Just say no to Pierre. I'd rather have Patterson. If Bradley can be had for nothing, I don't know why Hendry is still thinking about Pierre.

[Neuby]

How about Choi for Lee? Bobby Hill and others for Aram? Brendan Harris and others for Nomar and Murton? Even baseball America gets it wrong sometime guys.What was Juan Cruz's era last year just under 8.00? The Braves know there pitching and they dealt Cruz. I could be wrong but I thought he got caught up in age gate after 9/11.Besides the guy looks mid thirties not 28.

[woodprior04]

How about Choi for Lee? Bobby Hill and others for Aram? Brendan Harris and others for Nomar and Murton? Even baseball America gets it wrong sometime guys.What was Juan Cruz's era last year just under 8.00? The Braves know there pitching and they dealt Cruz. I could be wrong but I thought he got caught up in age gate after 9/11.Besides the guy looks mid thirties not 28.

 

The point is that Cruz's value at the time did not match what we got for him. We could've gotten a better player for him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Fish must think the Cubs are the same morans they were when they dealt Willis.

 

Or maybe they just think they are the same morans that gave Neifi Perez $5 million.

 

Just say no to Pierre. I'd rather have Patterson. If Bradley can be had for nothing, I don't know why Hendry is still thinking about Pierre.

 

Exactly. Bradley is a better (leadoff) hitter than Pierre, he'll be cheaper money-wise and player-wise, we'll have him under contract longer, he plays better defense, he's younger, and he's not coming off of a terrible year.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The Fish must think the Cubs are the same morans they were when they dealt Willis.

 

Or maybe they just think they are the same morans that gave Neifi Perez $5 million.

 

Just say no to Pierre. I'd rather have Patterson. If Bradley can be had for nothing, I don't know why Hendry is still thinking about Pierre.

 

Exactly. Bradley is a better (leadoff) hitter than Pierre, he'll be cheaper money-wise and player-wise, we'll have him under contract longer, he plays better defense, he's younger, and he's not coming off of a terrible year.

 

He's also coming off an injury plagued year. I don't blame Hendry for not pursuing an injury risk. I think it is lame not to pursue someone b/c of "attitude problems." Bradley probably isn't the best fit for this team, considering how many injury prone guys are already here under contract for 2006.

[mg420]

The Fish must think the Cubs are the same morans they were when they dealt Willis.

 

Or maybe they just think they are the same morans that gave Neifi Perez $5 million.

 

Just say no to Pierre. I'd rather have Patterson. If Bradley can be had for nothing, I don't know why Hendry is still thinking about Pierre.

 

Exactly. Bradley is a better (leadoff) hitter than Pierre, he'll be cheaper money-wise and player-wise, we'll have him under contract longer, he plays better defense, he's younger, and he's not coming off of a terrible year.

 

He's also coming off an injury plagued year. I don't blame Hendry for not pursuing an injury risk. I think it is lame not to pursue someone b/c of "attitude problems." Bradley probably isn't the best fit for this team, considering how many injury prone guys are already here under contract for 2006.

 

there is a difference between attitude problems and violent anti-social behavior. bradley's history exhibits the latter.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The Fish must think the Cubs are the same morans they were when they dealt Willis.

 

Or maybe they just think they are the same morans that gave Neifi Perez $5 million.

 

Just say no to Pierre. I'd rather have Patterson. If Bradley can be had for nothing, I don't know why Hendry is still thinking about Pierre.

 

Exactly. Bradley is a better (leadoff) hitter than Pierre, he'll be cheaper money-wise and player-wise, we'll have him under contract longer, he plays better defense, he's younger, and he's not coming off of a terrible year.

 

He's also coming off an injury plagued year. I don't blame Hendry for not pursuing an injury risk. I think it is lame not to pursue someone b/c of "attitude problems." Bradley probably isn't the best fit for this team, considering how many injury prone guys are already here under contract for 2006.

 

there is a difference between attitude problems and violent anti-social behavior. bradley's history exhibits the latter.

 

i was trying to be nice. the guy is an A-hole to teammates and loved ones.

[RynoRules]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

 

Cruz was the best prospect in the org?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

Cruz for Pratt?

 

Cruz was the best prospect in the org?

 

Close to, although he had a bit of major league time under his belt.

[mg420]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

who did the karchner for garland trade? i cant remember if it was hendry or MacPhail.

[USSoccer]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

who did the karchner for garland trade? i cant remember if it was hendry or MacPhail.

 

That was Ed Lynch.

[mg420]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

 

who did the karchner for garland trade? i cant remember if it was hendry or MacPhail.

 

That was Ed Lynch.

 

wow i am getting old. i didnt realize it was that long ago. thanks.

[USSoccer]

It's okay. I'm still ticked we wasted prospects on Heredia and Karchner, when Randy Johnson and Mike Piazza were both available that summer.

[Jehrico]

It's okay. I'm still ticked we wasted prospects on Heredia and Karchner, when Randy Johnson and Mike Piazza were both available that summer.

I'd be ticked about the bad trades, but at that time, no premier FA who cared about winning was going to sign with the Cubs while Lynch was running the show.

[Warpticon]

Come on, guys, this is a great deal. They want to trade us RRE for nothing!