Marlins want Pie

[NewUserName]

Along with table setters doesnt Hendry also want defensive players. Pierre would probably be the defensive equivelant to Todd Walker at 2nd. Since Walker is a better offensive player I just dont get going after Pierre. We dont want Walker because he cant play defense very well, yet we go after Pierre because he is a table setter who doesnt play defense very well.

 

I think Hendry is reading too much into the White Sox success this year and is missing the key point. It was pitching not Podsednik.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I think Hendry is going after both Furcal & Pierre, just in case one of them doesn't pan out. Acquiring a lead-off man is a priority for him & if he does land both, it could still work out.

[somechick]

Pie is only half the player Pierre is.

 

 

 

:wink:

[Andy]

Pie is only half the player Pierre is.

 

 

 

:wink:

I can't believe that:

 

(A) this joke wasn't made before

 

(B) I didn't think of that joke before you made it

 

:lol:

[Bull]

Give them an apple one, make it ala mode, and call it a day :D

I was thinking "let them eat cake", but yeah.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Pie is only half the player Pierre is.

 

 

 

:wink:

I can't believe that:

 

(A) this joke wasn't made before

 

(B) I didn't think of that joke before you made it

 

:lol:

I can't believe I didn't get it until just now.

[Gunned]

You know, I'm aware it's not the most sabermetrically-inclined setup -- but you can't deny there would be times it would be a lot of fun to watch Pierre/Furcal at the top of the order.

 

Having Pierre getting thrown out 30 percent of the time stealing isn't as fun, of couse.

 

But for all the hand-wringing about Pierre, if Hendry landed those two, it'd be the best top of the order the Cubs have had in a long, long time. Especially if Pierre's legs are healthy all year long.

 

I'm not saying, I'm just saying ...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

I personally think that's too redundant. Not enough power and too many slap hitters.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

All that power the past couple of years didn't get us very far. Why not try something new?

[cubfan75]

I think I may flip-flop Castillo and Pierre in that lineup b/c he gets on base more. Hopefully we have something like that to work with this year.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

I personally think that's too redundant. Not enough power and too many slap hitters.

 

I think Lee, Ramirez and Wilkerson give you some power in the middle.All of those are capable of 30+ HRs. Barrett also brings some punch in the 8th spot. I also think each of those hitters are capable of a 350+ OBP, so there's not a lot of outs in that line-up. While I'd like more power as well, I think that team would score a fair share of runs. It would also be a pretty good defensive team as well, especially in the middle infield.

[Proven Veteran]

If the cubs get wilkerson, I want him in CF.

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

I personally think that's too redundant. Not enough power and too many slap hitters.

 

I think Lee, Ramirez and Wilkerson give you some power in the middle.All of those are capable of 30+ HRs. Barrett also brings some punch in the 8th spot. I also think each of those hitters are capable of a 350+ OBP, so there's not a lot of outs in that line-up. While I'd like more power as well, I think that team would score a fair share of runs. It would also be a pretty good defensive team as well, especially in the middle infield.

True, quality players all the way around and def better than last year.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the cubs get wilkerson, I want him in CF.

 

He moves back there when Pierre leaves as a FA.

[Proven Veteran]

If the cubs get wilkerson, I want him in CF.

 

He moves back there when Pierre leaves as a FA.

 

Where will Pie play?

[The Voice of Reason]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

 

^ lineup at least wins the wild card. Now back to reality.

 

Has Florida given any indication that they would be willing to move Castillo?

 

 

The Scouting Report on Pierre - Lifetime .305/.355/.730

 

 

2004 Season

 

Coming off an eye-opening season as the fire-starter for the World Series champs, Juan Pierre was paid more attention than ever, both at the plate and on the basepaths. He slumped badly in June, but all in all Pierre managed to turn in another strong season. His consecutive-games streak stands at 335 games and counting.

 

 

 

Hitting

 

For the third time in the past four years, Pierre banged out 200 hits. It's no accident. Though he could show more patience for a leadoff hitter, his remarkable hand-eye coordination allows him to put almost any ball in play. He is fearless against lefties and doesn't give in against anybody, Randy Johnson included. He saw more hard stuff on the inner half last year, putting a crimp in his slap-and-dash ways. So Pierre eventually adjusted and started pulling more pitches between the first and second basemen. Always thinking, he's not afraid to be innovative at the plate. He didn't bunt as much in the first half, but started to reclaim that part of his repertoire after the break.

 

 

 

Baserunning & Defense

 

Largely due to the adjustments by opposing pitchers, Pierre didn't come close to defending his first NL stolen-base crown. He was caught a career-high 24 times in 69 attempts and saw his success rate drop from 76 to 65 percent. His defense remains a huge plus at spacious Pro Player Stadium. His range allowed the Marlins to get by with Miguel Cabrera and Jeff Conine flanking him for the first four months. Pierre's arm probably precludes him from Gold Glove consideration, but he never gives up on balls in the gap and makes his share of highlight catches. His resemblance to a young Mickey Rivers remains eerie.

 

 

 

2005 Outlook

 

Pierre is due $3.6 million in the final year of his contract, after which he will be a fifth-year eligible for salary arbitration. He could yet grow too pricey for the budget-conscious Marlins, but for now he remains their heart and soul.

 

 

I'd say Pierre/Furcal would be a "slight" :wink: improvement to the top of the order from Neifi/Patterson or any other combos from last year.

Edited November 10, 2005 by The Voice of Reason

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't trade Pie for Pierre, more because Pierre is a FA after this season. You'd trade your long term solution for a very short-term fix.

 

That being said, if the Marlins were willing to trade Pierre and Castillo for Pie and Walker, I might bite on that deal.

 

While we would lose some power, we'd have a whole lot of speed throughout the line-up if we also signed Furcal.

 

Also our middle infield defense would be spectacular. If we had Furcal and Castillo, both locked up for more than two years, we could use Cedeno in a package for a rightfielder.

 

Would the Nationals bite on a package that was Cedeno, Williams, and Wellemeyer for Wilkerson?

 

Imagine this line-up:

 

CF Pierre

SS Furcal

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF Wilkerson

2b Castillo

lf Murton

C Barrett

 

^ lineup at least wins wild card. Now back to reality.

 

Has Florida given any indication that they would be willing to move Castillo?

 

 

The Scouting Report on Pierre - Lifetime .305/.355/.730

 

 

2004 Season

 

Coming off an eye-opening season as the fire-starter for the World Series champs, Juan Pierre was paid more attention than ever, both at the plate and on the basepaths. He slumped badly in June, but all in all Pierre managed to turn in another strong season. His consecutive-games streak stands at 335 games and counting.

 

 

 

Hitting

 

For the third time in the past four years, Pierre banged out 200 hits. It's no accident. Though he could show more patience for a leadoff hitter, his remarkable hand-eye coordination allows him to put almost any ball in play. He is fearless against lefties and doesn't give in against anybody, Randy Johnson included. He saw more hard stuff on the inner half last year, putting a crimp in his slap-and-dash ways. So Pierre eventually adjusted and started pulling more pitches between the first and second basemen. Always thinking, he's not afraid to be innovative at the plate. He didn't bunt as much in the first half, but started to reclaim that part of his repertoire after the break.

 

 

 

Baserunning & Defense

 

Largely due to the adjustments by opposing pitchers, Pierre didn't come close to defending his first NL stolen-base crown. He was caught a career-high 24 times in 69 attempts and saw his success rate drop from 76 to 65 percent. His defense remains a huge plus at spacious Pro Player Stadium. His range allowed the Marlins to get by with Miguel Cabrera and Jeff Conine flanking him for the first four months. Pierre's arm probably precludes him from Gold Glove consideration, but he never gives up on balls in the gap and makes his share of highlight catches. His resemblance to a young Mickey Rivers remains eerie.

 

 

 

2005 Outlook

 

Pierre is due $3.6 million in the final year of his contract, after which he will be a fifth-year eligible for salary arbitration. He could yet grow too pricey for the budget-conscious Marlins, but for now he remains their heart and soul.

 

 

I'd say Pierre/Furcal would be a "slight" impovement to the top of the order from Neifi/Patterson or any other combos from last year.

Slight improvement from last year? You can't be serious.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the cubs get wilkerson, I want him in CF.

 

He moves back there when Pierre leaves as a FA.

 

Where will Pie play?

 

Look back at my post. Pie was moved in the deal to get Pierre and Castillo.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Hendry will not trade Pie. This is a kid he push this yr, and felt he could make the job from AA to the majors. So unless Willis or Cabrera is in the deal, then Pie is not going to be traded.

[The Voice of Reason]

YearofDaCubs wrote:

 

Slight improvement from last year? You can't be serious.

 

Note the sarcastic parentheses around "slight" - it would be IMO a huge improvement. Get it done Hendry.

[b_wiggy_66]

If you think that Pierre and Furcal would only be a slight improvement you must be smoking something. Those are two of the best leadoff men in the game.

[b_wiggy_66]

Now that makes sense I suppose I should have caught the sarcasm.

 

My Bad

[RynoRules]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

[EricG]

I don't really think it's a big deal. Of course the Marlins are going to ask for Pie. I'm sure Hendry wanted Cabrera thrown into the deal as well. You have to start high in your asking price. I'm not too worried about it.

 

What he said.

 

Name the last time Hendry traded the best prospect in the organization and got fleeced. (no, the Dontrelle trade does not qualify)

he just waits until they become worthless