Deal for Soriano or Dunn close?

[CubfaninCA]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

Edited July 30, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[XZero771679666304]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

 

Cubs get

Yes, I would be mad. Aramis is younger than Manny, better than Soriano, and better and much younger than Mueller.

 

I would absolutely love to have Manny, but Aramis is a player I want to see on the Cubs for a long time. Plus I don't think that trade makes the Cubs all that much better overall.

[USSoccer]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Worse IMO. It's harder to find a quality 3rd baseman then it is a LF.

[ctcf]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

[USSoccer]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Worse IMO. It's harder to find a quality 3rd baseman then it is a LF.

 

I agree. Now that we've found an All Star 3B who's entering a prime that will just about equal Manny's if we ever got some OPB ahead of him, we should just trade him for a 33 year old OF?

 

Bah. If we want Manny, there are better ways to get him other than that joke of an idea.

[USSoccer]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

It's ok, CT...just keep in mind that the waiver deal deadline is in August. I'll bet that we see a lot of waiver movement this year, and less July 31st action.

[Roast]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

Ugh. No kidding. I will be going bannana's sunday at work.

[rickrolled]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

Ugh. No kidding. I will be going bannana's sunday at work.

 

Haha. I can just picture Roast completely ignoring his boss while trying to find out if the Cubs have traded for anyone.

[chicubs310]

Ditto for me. Last year i was at Disney World *along with ESPN* and when they announced that the cubs traded for nomar i was literally jumping up and down and the ESPN camera man was telling me to settle down. This year unfortunately, i have a feeling i will be watcing so intently, and we will do very minimal to improve

[Sarcastic]

It is official: Peter Gammons has said Manny will not be traded. Now we just need to wait and see who's involved.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

Ugh. No kidding. I will be going bannana's sunday at work.

 

I hope you don't work at a place that you could hurt yourself by listening a little too much to the radio.

 

"Kid: Excuse me...Mr., I just found a finger in my banana split.

Roast: Shut up the Cubs just aquired...."

Roast drops to the ground with a smile.

[Jazz]

thanks pete

srsly i think we have him to thank for alot of jh's deals over the years haah

[CubfaninCA]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

[Flames24Rulz]

It is official: Peter Gammons has said Manny will not be traded. Now we just need to wait and see who's involved.

 

ah yes...the trade deadline brings out the dumbest in old Pete. "Nomar will not be traded at the deadline."

Edited July 30, 2005 by Flames24Rulz

[Roast]

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

Ugh. No kidding. I will be going bannana's sunday at work.

 

Haha. I can just picture Roast completely ignoring his boss while trying to find out if the Cubs have traded for anyone.

 

Yea, sadly so can I.

 

Bob (my boss): Jamie, I need you to ring this up, i'm doing a delivery.

Me: #### you bob. *calls one of my friends for cubs update*

[muntjack]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

 

Aramis Ramirez is one of the best hitters in the major leagues.

 

Aramis Ramirez has yet to enter his prime.

 

Aramis Ramirez is not overpaid.

 

Keep Aramis Ramirez.

 

 

Let me also go on record as saying I'm not against a trade for a left-fielder, IF he can move to right next year. Matt Murton will be a star.

 

All the talk of upgrading our team OPS is fairly irrelevant due to Hollandsworth and Perez. With Nomar and Murton we are a FAR better team.

[Wheelimus]

Why oh why did I just picture a rejected Enzyte commercial? :lol:

 

This is making me sad as I have come to realize I won't be able to focus until the deadline has passed or we make a trade. :cry:

 

Ugh. No kidding. I will be going bannana's sunday at work.

 

Haha. I can just picture Roast completely ignoring his boss while trying to find out if the Cubs have traded for anyone.

 

Yea, sadly so can I.

 

Bob (my boss): Jamie, I need you to ring this up, i'm doing a delivery.

Me: #### you bob. *calls one of my friends for cubs update*

[CubfaninCA]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

 

Aramis Ramirez is one of the best hitters in the major leagues.

 

Aramis Ramirez has yet to enter his prime.

 

Aramis Ramirez is not overpaid.

 

Keep Aramis Ramirez.

 

 

Let me also go on record as saying I'm not against a trade for a left-fielder, IF he can move to right next year. Matt Murton will be a star.

 

All the talk of upgrading our team OPS is fairly irrelevant due to Hollandsworth and Perez. With Nomar and Murton we are a FAR better team.

 

I like Murton, but #2 hitters like Murton are dime a dozen. Manny >>>> Murton.

[USSoccer]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

 

-Aside from the NTC Wood has, he has no value right now. He's getting shoulder surgery in the offseason. Why on earth would Texas want him?

It's not like he's cheap.

 

--130 points in OPS doesn't make of for the millions of extra dollars and extra years you take on. Aramis is basically Manny, right now, at half the cost and none of the antics, and 6 years younger.

 

I want Manny too, man, but if we want him, we can pony up the right players in the right deal, but you don't improve youself by dealing Aramis

for him. I'm not trying to berate you (although I stand by every word I said about Stone and his phenominaly stupid trade idea).

 

I think that if we were to get Manny, it would be easiest with a 3rd team. The Reds make the most sense, as they could provide Dunn and Mercker for Boston, and would gladly take the prospects Boston was going to send to Tampa , plus a couple from us, in exchange for Manny. Florida with Lowell and Burnett is a possible partner, although not as good of a fit.

[USSoccer]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

 

Aramis Ramirez is one of the best hitters in the major leagues.

 

Aramis Ramirez has yet to enter his prime.

 

Aramis Ramirez is not overpaid.

 

Keep Aramis Ramirez.

 

 

Let me also go on record as saying I'm not against a trade for a left-fielder, IF he can move to right next year. Matt Murton will be a star.

 

All the talk of upgrading our team OPS is fairly irrelevant due to Hollandsworth and Perez. With Nomar and Murton we are a FAR better team.

 

I like Murton, but #2 hitters like Murton are dime a dozen. Manny >>>> Murton.

 

Of course Manny is better than Murton, but Manny needs runners to score in front of him. That's why you want to keep Murton, sine his skills are exactly what this team needs more of. Murton is a good player.

 

That said, I don't know if Murton could handle RF if we were to get Manny and keep him into 2006.

[Roast]

Holy crap, the board just had a meltdown

[rickrolled]

Holy crap, the board just had a meltdown

 

Tell me about it. In my head, I was thinking...

 

Board really slow = Tons of people online = people talking about a Cubs trade that's just happened

 

Yes, the deadline is driving me crazy

[Roast]

Holy crap, the board just had a meltdown

 

Tell me about it. In my head, I was thinking...

 

Board really slow = Tons of people online = people talking about a Cubs trade that's just happened

 

Yes, the deadline is driving me crazy

 

I thought the exact same thing :oops:

[David]

Holy crap, the board just had a meltdown

 

Tell me about it. In my head, I was thinking...

 

Board really slow = Tons of people online = people talking about a Cubs trade that's just happened

 

Yes, the deadline is driving me crazy

 

hehe, no kidding... Same EXACT thought process just went through my mind.. I resorted to the ESPN and Cubs.com boards for a minute (not until seeing if anyone was on the NSBB emergency board)... lol..

 

Deadline time is one of my favorite times of year.. :)