Deal for Soriano or Dunn close?

[Roast]

It is official: Peter Gammons has said Manny will not be traded. Now we just need to wait and see who's involved.

 

SCORE!

[CubbieSouthpaw]

Maybe Stone has a little insider info & is on to something... Would anyone be mad if Soriano, Mueller and Manny ended up in Chicago, with ARam, Walker, Patterson, Mitre and a few other players leaving????

 

Lineup:

Hairston

Mueller

Lee

Manny

Burnitz

Sori

Nomah

Barrett

 

Stone doesn't have any inside information. Period. He speaks in rhetorical, rambling terms. He's not the baseball Einstein than some make him out to be. I'm pretty much sick of the fact no one has seen through this. Listen to him talk sometime-he doesn't actually *say* anything that is insightful. Good in-game color guy. Bad baseball mind. Bad judge of talent. He'd make an awful GM.

 

Look at that Trade. We take on $30m extra in payroll and give up several players for 2 players that are no better than what we already have. For Stone to suggest trading a 27 year old entering his prime for a 33 year old leaving his prime than makes twice as much is idiotic.

 

His original idea, which was Manny and Mueller for Aramis and others, is completely stupid. Basically, we'd be trading for the 2001 Cubs. Manny would play Sosa, and Mueller would be himself. How did that team do? Mueller is basically no better than Murton would be everyday in LF, and Aramis is every bit as good as Manny. All you accomplish is taking on salary while shifting your production from one position to another, but you aren't any better.

 

Well, I'm not advocating it, but team ops would be up 130 points and Manny's a long way from done. Get him out of Boston and he may put up a 1.000+ ops again. I know some of you don't believe in change of scenery stuff, so no need to berate me. I accept being wrong. Also, I hope that Wood goes to TX to help absord the additional payroll. The Cubs can just retain Patterson.

 

Aramis Ramirez is one of the best hitters in the major leagues.

 

Aramis Ramirez has yet to enter his prime.

 

Aramis Ramirez is not overpaid.

 

Keep Aramis Ramirez.

 

 

Let me also go on record as saying I'm not against a trade for a left-fielder, IF he can move to right next year. Matt Murton will be a star.

 

All the talk of upgrading our team OPS is fairly irrelevant due to Hollandsworth and Perez. With Nomar and Murton we are a FAR better team.

 

RELAX guys. Stoney said this was sports talk radio and thats what were suppose to do is talk sports. He even went on to say something to the effect that he HADN'T heard this from anyone and it was just his way to bring in that big outfield bat, and a better defensive glove at 3rd.(Mueller) He also said that after this year the money would balance with Sammy, Remmy and everyone else salaries coming off the books.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I like Murton, but #2 hitters like Murton are dime a dozen. Manny >>>> Murton.

 

Perhaps, but I rather keep Murton, and USE the money that would have been spent on Manny on re-signing players like Prior, Zambrano, and Lee.

You'd have to agree Murton/Prior/Z/Lee is better then Manny Ramirez and NO Prior/Z/Murton/Lee.

 

You say #2 hitters are "a dime a dozen", yeah which is true, but the Cubs can have ONE particular #2 hitter like Murton for atleast 4 yrs at a VERY cheap rate. Instead paying a vet #2 hitter like Mueller 3+ mill per for 4 yrs, the Cubs have a #2 hitter at $300K for atleast 3 yrs.

 

The OBJECT is to build a competitive team, not build and All-Star team.

[CuseCubFan69]

On a sidenote.....If these rumors are true about the Cubs wanting Soriano to play LF I think that says that they are quite happy with Walker. I hope this vote of confidence gives Walker a nice boost.

 

Today ought to be an interesting day for Cub fans...will Mr. Hendry make a big change, aquire a stud LF, middle relief or tweek the bench.....Aquiring fans want to know!

[HoopsCubs]

...will Mr. Hendry make a big change, aquire a stud LF, middle relief or tweek the bench.....Aquiring fans want to know!

 

Don't rule out the possibility that he may acquire a starter. Hendry may wake up this morning thinking that having Jerome Williams and Rich Hill as 4 and 5 may not be best suited for the wild card chase. I still see a guy like Kevin Millwood or Jamie Moyer lurking...

[CuseCubFan69]

...will Mr. Hendry make a big change, aquire a stud LF, middle relief or tweek the bench.....Aquiring fans want to know!

 

Don't rule out the possibility that he may acquire a starter. Hendry may wake up this morning thinking that having Jerome Williams and Rich Hill as 4 and 5 may not be best suited for the wild card chase. I still see a guy like Kevin Millwood or Jamie Moyer lurking...

 

Good point Hoops. With all focus ....or most of it, of the draft being on pitchers in the past I'd hate to see that happen. I do understand why but I always thought that the minors would be able to fill that void and the reason to stockpile arms in the minors was to fill the everyday postion holes that come up, not to trade for a starting pitcher.

[HoopsCubs]

...will Mr. Hendry make a big change, aquire a stud LF, middle relief or tweek the bench.....Aquiring fans want to know!

 

Don't rule out the possibility that he may acquire a starter. Hendry may wake up this morning thinking that having Jerome Williams and Rich Hill as 4 and 5 may not be best suited for the wild card chase. I still see a guy like Kevin Millwood or Jamie Moyer lurking...

 

Good point Hoops. With all focus ....or most of it, of the draft being on pitchers in the past I'd hate to see that happen. I do understand why but I always thought that the minors would be able to fill that void and the reason to stockpile arms in the minors was to fill the everyday postion holes that come up, not to trade for a starting pitcher.

 

Look, I still believe acquiring a slugging outfielder and another relief pitcher is the right way to go. But we have to be open to the possibility that with Wood out, Williams only being a 5 inning guy and Hill having only started once, that Hendry may view the rotation as the biggest short term hole.

[CuseCubFan69]

...will Mr. Hendry make a big change, aquire a stud LF, middle relief or tweek the bench.....Aquiring fans want to know!

 

Don't rule out the possibility that he may acquire a starter. Hendry may wake up this morning thinking that having Jerome Williams and Rich Hill as 4 and 5 may not be best suited for the wild card chase. I still see a guy like Kevin Millwood or Jamie Moyer lurking...

 

Good point Hoops. With all focus ....or most of it, of the draft being on pitchers in the past I'd hate to see that happen. I do understand why but I always thought that the minors would be able to fill that void and the reason to stockpile arms in the minors was to fill the everyday postion holes that come up, not to trade for a starting pitcher.

 

Look, I still believe acquiring a slugging outfielder and another relief pitcher is the right way to go. But we have to be open to the possibility that with Wood out, Williams only being a 5 inning guy and Hill having only started once, that Hendry may view the rotation as the biggest short term hole.

 

I wish Hill had more starts to see what he's got but you're right...it's got to be looked at. I wonder if Hughes is the guy that gives Hendry the type of info to evaluate this decision. Personally, I'm comfortable with Williams and Hill.

[gflore34]

Well, according to "experts" at BT, Buster Olney in particular, the probability Soriano gets traded to the Cubs is .10 or less. Funny, if the Yankees or Red Sox were in the picture, I'm guessing that probability would be significantly higher.

 

As for Dunn and brillance that is the Reds management, they'll have to be overwhelmed, in the words of Steve Stone, to trade him or any of the other three OF's. Talk about unrealistic, there isn't a team in baseball that's going to give up a 1 or 2 starter for Dunn, Griffey, Pena or Kearns, a solid 3 and prospect but, not a 1 or 2.

[USSoccer]

Well, according to "experts" at BT, Buster Olney in particular, the probability Soriano gets traded to the Cubs is .10 or less. Funny, if the Yankees or Red Sox were in the picture, I'm guessing that probability would be significantly higher.

 

As for Dunn and brillance that is the Reds management, they'll have to be overwhelmed, in the words of Steve Stone, to trade him or any of the other three OF's. Talk about unrealistic, there isn't a team in baseball that's going to give up a 1 or 2 starter for Dunn, Griffey, Pena or Kearns, a solid 3 and prospect but, not a 1 or 2.

 

What Mr. Stone doesn't understand is that it's a sellers marker. Since the Reds don't *have* to move any of them, they're correct to hold out. Look at what Tampa almost got for Huff and Baez.

[rocket]

Not getting excited about either of these 'deals'.

[RammyFanny]

latest from bruce levine

 

 

He said that Hendry is talking to the Ranger's GM and potentially offering Walker, Mitre and Wellemeyer for Soriano (whom he says they need to rid themselves of because he is due $7 million for next year).

 

Then he stated that Hendry continues to discuss a trade with Cincinnati for BOTH Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns. Yes, that's right~ according to Levine, if Hendry has it his way, he would acquire both of them at the same time. He went on to say that JH would still be reluctant to trade Hill, though I cannot imagine how he could possibly pull off a trade for both without including him in the deal (let alone Pie and others).

 

(dont kill me, but its from the cubs.com board, though it seems to have been confirmed (10:30)

[gflore34]

Well, according to "experts" at BT, Buster Olney in particular, the probability Soriano gets traded to the Cubs is .10 or less. Funny, if the Yankees or Red Sox were in the picture, I'm guessing that probability would be significantly higher.

 

As for Dunn and brillance that is the Reds management, they'll have to be overwhelmed, in the words of Steve Stone, to trade him or any of the other three OF's. Talk about unrealistic, there isn't a team in baseball that's going to give up a 1 or 2 starter for Dunn, Griffey, Pena or Kearns, a solid 3 and prospect but, not a 1 or 2.

 

What Mr. Stone doesn't understand is that it's a sellers marker. Since the Reds don't *have* to move any of them, they're correct to hold out. Look at what Tampa almost got for Huff and Baez.

 

Holding out is one thing but, this is also the team that signed Eric Milton so, one has to wonder if they're holding out for the best deal or don't know what they're doing.

Edited July 30, 2005 by gflore34

[ctcf]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If we trade Walker, Mitre, and Welly for Soriano, I'm going to throw something.

[Sarcastic]

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[sonicdethmonkey0]

latest from bruce levine

 

 

He said that Hendry is talking to the Ranger's GM and potentially offering Walker, Mitre and Wellemeyer for Soriano (whom he says they need to rid themselves of because he is due $7 million for next year).

 

no jim

 

Then he stated that Hendry continues to discuss a trade with Cincinnati for BOTH Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns. Yes, that's right~ according to Levine, if Hendry has it his way, he would acquire both of them at the same time. He went on to say that JH would still be reluctant to trade Hill, though I cannot imagine how he could possibly pull off a trade for both without including him in the deal (let alone Pie and others).

 

(dont kill me, but its from the cubs.com board, though it seems to have been confirmed (10:30)

 

this can't be true

[USSoccer]

Well, according to "experts" at BT, Buster Olney in particular, the probability Soriano gets traded to the Cubs is .10 or less. Funny, if the Yankees or Red Sox were in the picture, I'm guessing that probability would be significantly higher.

 

As for Dunn and brillance that is the Reds management, they'll have to be overwhelmed, in the words of Steve Stone, to trade him or any of the other three OF's. Talk about unrealistic, there isn't a team in baseball that's going to give up a 1 or 2 starter for Dunn, Griffey, Pena or Kearns, a solid 3 and prospect but, not a 1 or 2.

 

What Mr. Stone doesn't understand is that it's a sellers marker. Since the Reds don't *have* to move any of them, they're correct to hold out. Look at what Tampa almost got for Huff and Baez.

 

Holding out is one thing but, this also the team that signed Eric Milton so, one has to wonder if they're holding out for the best deal or don't know what they're doing.

 

Very true, but at least in this instance they seem to be playing it out the way I would. I'd wait til a team got nervous and desperate, and gave up the player they weren't previously offering.

[ctcf]

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At the possibility of JH trying to get Kearns AND Dunn.

[ctcf]

What do you guys think are the odds of something going down today?

[Flames24Rulz]

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seconded. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wilk]

Then he stated that Hendry continues to discuss a trade with Cincinnati for BOTH Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns. Yes, that's right~ according to Levine, if Hendry has it his way, he would acquire both of them at the same time. He went on to say that JH would still be reluctant to trade Hill, though I cannot imagine how he could possibly pull off a trade for both without including him in the deal (let alone Pie and others).

 

(dont kill me, but its from the cubs.com board, though it seems to have been confirmed (10:30)

 

This isn't true. The poster at Cubs.com obviously just misunderstood. Hendry is in talks with the Reds about both Dunn and Kearns, but not in prospect of acquiring both.

[BigbadB]

What do you guys think are the odds of something going down today?

 

I expect it will happen today. What, I don't know.

[Sarcastic]

What do you guys think are the odds of something going down today?

 

I think that if something happens, it'll probably be right at the deadline, again. Hendry has a flair for the dramatic when it comes to mid season trades. Also, it sounds like there are some groups that don't like the offers going around as is, but they may end up feeling the pressure at the last second and moving. Of course, I have no idea exactly what is going on, so I may be totally wrong.

 

One more thing to consider. Last year, the trade was pulled off at the last second, and not reported until after the deadline. So that should extend everyone's agony for a few more hours.

[RammyFanny]

yep....just heard it on espn1000....they said levine said the cubs are still "bugging" texas about soriano, and that the cubs are in discussions with cinci about aquiring dunn or kearns. They didnt say both...tho it was just them summarizing what levine said quickly and it was not a actual a replay of what levine actually said.