Cubs real close to getting Dunn (Shot down by Bruce Miles)

[XZero771679666304]

My biggest problem with Dunn is his defense....he makes Dubois look like a gold glover out there...

 

Its been brought up before. But seriously, defense in left is not that HUGE of a deal. They get like five chances a game. And when you can produce offensivley like he does. Wow. I couldnt care less.

 

Yeah, people didn't seem to mind how bad Moises was out there last year.

 

Dunn > Moises. well,

 

Dunn > 2004 Moises.

 

This year his numbers are huge.

 

 

Also, K's are alot less annoying then slow grounders to short that turn into two outs.

 

Ugh. Don't remind me. I think Neifi has taken Moises' place as the DP-Meister.

[Electron Blue]

Well, I just read through all eight pages. I am pretty sceptical.

 

But, As someone else pointed out. What he says is pretty much on par with what vance said. One Position player, one young pitcher, and a minor league pitching prospect.

 

Of course I suppose that could mean that he just read that, and reposted it. And Fanzone Trumpet, or whatever his name is (bad memory) doesnt have too sparkling of a review of this fellow.

 

All I can say is that, I HOPE this is right.

 

The Fanzone Trumpet post kinda surprised me. It was pretty harsh of this sweetpotato guy. But why? Fanzone, are you just guessing, or do you know this first-time poster from another board? I don't Fanzone or Sweet, so for now I'll trust the starter of this thread because he's telling me what I want to hear :)

 

I know the pattern from previous false alarms; it's uncannily similar. In fact, I could have mentioned other things like the trade happening in 48 hours and the fellow claiming to be a regular poster on Cubs and ESPN who would NEVER troll.

 

Granted, but let me put it this way. In a bad cop movie, the guy they arrest always says, "I didn't do it!" and the cop says, "That's what they all say." That movie would be as bad as that argument, because even the innocent ones say they're innocent. Whether he's telling the truth or not, he's going to phrase it like that. All I'm saying is that when you called him out a few pages back, you didn't leave a lot of room for doubt in your phrasing.

[XZero771679666304]

My biggest problem with Dunn is his defense....he makes Dubois look like a gold glover out there...

 

Its been brought up before. But seriously, defense in left is not that HUGE of a deal. They get like five chances a game. And when you can produce offensivley like he does. Wow. I couldnt care less.

 

Yeah, people didn't seem to mind how bad Moises was out there last year.

 

Moises wasn't that bad last year....

 

Yes, yes he was.

 

He may have made diving catch or two, but he had the range of a sloth and a noodle arm. He was bad.

[Roast]

So hey Fanzone, Just to be clear (i dont know how to interpret your posts)

 

Do you:

 

A) Know who he is. For sure.

 

B) You have seen posters (who you do not know if it is the same person, or not) do this in the past.

 

If the answer is B, then yea. I've seen it happen for. "BREAKING NEWS" threads are common place on cubs.com and ESPN.com. I've heard them say to ban them if it is not true before too.

 

I'm not doubting you, i just do not want to misinterpret your posts.

[Fanzones trumpet]

Well, I just read through all eight pages. I am pretty sceptical.

 

But, As someone else pointed out. What he says is pretty much on par with what vance said. One Position player, one young pitcher, and a minor league pitching prospect.

 

Of course I suppose that could mean that he just read that, and reposted it. And Fanzone Trumpet, or whatever his name is (bad memory) doesnt have too sparkling of a review of this fellow.

 

All I can say is that, I HOPE this is right.

 

The Fanzone Trumpet post kinda surprised me. It was pretty harsh of this sweetpotato guy. But why? Fanzone, are you just guessing, or do you know this first-time poster from another board? I don't Fanzone or Sweet, so for now I'll trust the starter of this thread because he's telling me what I want to hear :)

 

I know the pattern from previous false alarms; it's uncannily similar. In fact, I could have mentioned other things like the trade happening in 48 hours and the fellow claiming to be a regular poster on Cubs and ESPN who would NEVER troll.

 

Granted, but let me put it this way. In a bad cop movie, the guy they arrest always says, "I didn't do it!" and the cop says, "That's what they all say." That movie would be as bad as that argument, because even the innocent ones say they're innocent. Whether he's telling the truth or not, he's going to phrase it like that. All I'm saying is that when you called him out a few pages back, you didn't leave a lot of room for doubt in your phrasing.

 

I don't have any doubt based on similar hoaxes that have been perpetrated in the past. I'm not saying a Dunn trade to the Cubs won't happen, although I think it's pretty unlikely for the package proposed; there are credible reports on this board and elsewhere that the Reds have offered him around. But I'm very confident, based on past experience, that this poster has no more inside information than you or I. If nothing happens in the next 48 hours, we can expect a post from the originator telling everyone that they're fools.

[back2backjax]

OK, I have something to report regarding the Cubs and Reds working out a possible deal for Adam Dunn. Before I post it, I just want to say that yes, I am a new poster here and this is my first post, and I know how a lot of times you will see people come on boards across the internet and report a false news item in order to get people's hopes up and then have a laugh at it. This is NOT my intention at all. I've been on the ESPN and Cubs.com boards and I know how annoying trolls can be when they do that kind of stuff...I would NEVER do that. So, let me proceed:

 

I have a friend who works for the Cincinnati Reds. This guy isn't exactly a high-ranking official for the Reds or anything like that, but he usually has access to information from the organization and I might add that he has been right on a few of the Reds moves in the past. He told me Austin Kearns would be demoted a few hours before it became official, and also knew about the Reds inking Joe Randa to a contact a day before that happened, so I consider him very reliable..he hasn't been wrong yet. I talked to him a couple hours ago, and I am so pumped because of what he told me, I could hardly believe it. He says he has heard that there is a deal between the Reds and Cubs that should be completed and should become official within the next 48 hours. Here is what the deal will be:

 

The Cubs get: Adam Dunn

The Reds get: Corey Patterson, Rich Hill, Sergio Mitre

 

Again, I know some people might not believe this since I'm a new poster, but I would NEVER make anything up like this, I just don't troll. If I end up being wrong, the mods can ban me if they feel the need to, but my source said he is certain this will go down, and he hasn't been wrong before, so there's no doubt in my mind it'll happen.

 

 

i may be stating what someone else already has, but i don't care to sift through the 10 pages of comments to find out.

 

i don't like the idea of dunn for cpatt, hill and mitre. dunn is just a notch above burnitz in that he is usually all or nothing. sure he takes more walks, but walks don't usually drive in runs. the cubs need a hitter in LF, not another slugger. the offense could be improved dramatically if a true hitter was added. by that i mean a guy who will do the little things at the plate like move a runner over to 3rd with a grounder to the right side, or get that same runner home from 3rd with less than two outs. or only hit .280 but come through in the clutch.

 

i also don't like the idea of trading mitre who has shown flashes of sheer brilliance. he could be a really good back of the rotation guy in a year or so. same for hill. LHP with that kind of breaking balls and velocity don't come along that often. everytime willis chalks up another win, i just cringe at that idea of repeating that mistake. given the arm problems wood and prior have experienced of late, and the fact that maddux will only be around for one more season, i'd prefer not to trade two good prospects for a high strikeout LF.

 

Welcome to the Boards! There are two factions two this argument on this board.

 

The following will always be cited in every discussion:

 

High Strikeouts/High Walks

Low BA/High OBP

Too much All or nothing/.900+ OPS

 

That should have you prepared for any debates about Dunn.

 

sorry, i didn't mean to point out the obvious. i should have made my point more clear that i didn't like the idea of giving up two above average prospects along with a guy who still has a chance to be really good one day to obtain a guy that is very one dimensional. by obtaining dunn, we're closing the book on murton unless he could be moved to RF next season. i'd like to see more from him before we starting trading the farm system for dunn.

[Fanzones trumpet]

So hey Fanzone, Just to be clear (i dont know how to interpret your posts)

 

Do you:

 

A) Know who he is. For sure.

 

B) You have seen posters (who you do not know if it is the same person, or not) do this in the past.

 

If the answer is B, then yea. I've seen it happen for. "BREAKING NEWS" threads are common place on cubs.com and ESPN.com. I've heard them say to ban them if it is not true before too.

 

I'm not doubting you, i just do not want to misinterpret your posts.

 

 

 

B, but based on the pattern, as close to A as possible without actually knowing his identity.

[ctcf]

How many people here are taking this thing seriously?

 

I'm not.

[XZero771679666304]

How many people here are taking this thing seriously?

 

I'm not.

 

I'm not either. It provides a forum to discuss a trade for Dunn (which may or may not happen anyway). As for this particular rumor, I have the utmost confidence that it's BS. But I will save the expletives until the 48 hours are up.

[E.J.]

How many people here are taking this thing seriously?

 

I'm not.

 

I am, but only because I want to be different.

[CubinNY]

If he is a troll (and I too suspect he is), the mere fact that his post has generated 10+ pages should be enough for him to get his jollies. I'm sure he has e-mailed his friends and they are getting a nice laugh over all the speculation.

 

I propose that if any new person (50 posts or less) posts a "breaking news" post that it be immediately locked. If the trade comes to fruition then un-lock and heep praise.

[Roast]

 

sorry, i didn't mean to point out the obvious. i should have made my point more clear that i didn't like the idea of giving up two above average prospects along with a guy who still has a chance to be really good one day to obtain a guy that is very one dimensional. by obtaining dunn, we're closing the book on murton unless he could be moved to RF next season. i'd like to see more from him before we starting trading the farm system for dunn.

 

 

Welcome!

 

You are off, however, saying dunn is one dimensional. Not only does he have stellar power. He has a career OPS over .900! Meaning he takes alot alot alot of walks.

 

Last year Dunn took 108 Walks. Thats nearly double as many as the cubs leader last year (Moises and Derrek tied for the lead, with 68!)

 

Dunn already has sixty-seven this year already...

 

True, he does only gets on base with hits 24% of the time. But who cares how he gets on base? As long as he gets on base. He gets on base 38% of the time. Also true that doubles triples and homers are all better than walks. And sometimes singles are too. But his Slugging percentage (.554, this year) leads you to beleive, hitting XBH isnt his problem.

 

Now, his defense is nothing to write home about, but when you can produce like him, it doesnt matter. Especially when you have a pitching staff that gets mostly ground balls and K's.

 

And, as far as selling the farm... I dont agree with that either. Patterson, for all intents and purpouses, is done as a cub (in my opinion). Yes, He coudl be great one day. But, I, like many others, do not see him doing so as a cub.

 

Mitre is a really good young starter. But, We have a plethera of those on their way up. And remember, you have to give up talent, to get talent.

 

Rich hill is also a great young talent. Even outside of him, we still have a ton of promising pitching in our system. Again, you have to give talent to get talent.

[Roast]

How many people here are taking this thing seriously?

 

I'm not.

 

I am taking it as it is. A rumor from an unreliable source. Doesnt mean its wrong. Doesnt mean its right. Just a rumor from an unreliable source.

[Wheelimus]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

[ThePenguin11]

the more I think about it - the more this trade makes no sense anyways....

 

Patterson is at an all time low

 

Hill and Mitre are not necessarily "top prospects", are they? Granted, I think they're both great pitchers, have a ton of potential, and Im definitely a fan of both, but the Reds have got to be asking for alot more than that for Dunn. They asked Cleveland for C.C. and prospects -which is kinda far off from this trade mentioned.

 

The Reds have clearly been operating with no sense of reality when it comes to their demands for Adam Dunn. Assuming they've shopped around the league quite a bit already it's well within the realm of possibility they've lowered their asking price to something more reasonable.

 

As to Hill being a fly ball pitcher, being a fly ball pitcher didn't stop them from signing Eric Milton. Don't assume they're smart enough to have learned their lesson.

 

Hill had only allowed 14 HR through his first 220 IP, just for the record. I'm not a big believer of Hill and would gladly send him off for Dunn, but just thought that it should be pointed out. He seems to be a ground ball pitcher from what I've seen, although his fastball will be flyin' all over the place if he can't find a way to get it to move.

 

I'm probably in the minority in my belief that he'll be most successful as a relief specialist. As a starter I can only see him as a flash in the pan. Guys with a great curveball alone seem to show short streaks of brilliance and then hurt you in the long run. Zito and Estes are two recent examples. Granted Zito's dominance was sustained over a pretty good amount of time, but it has caught up with him. To be a great starter who has a dominant curve I think you need to have other great complements - ala Roy Oswalt, Darryl Kyle and Matt Morris. I just see Hill's career turning into a 'grease fire' more than a 'flash in the pan' if given the responsibility of pitching for 6-7 innings every time out. If I'm wrong then good for him (and the Cubs if it happens in Chicago), but I wouldn't regard him as untouchable. I would however entertain any offers for above average Major League talent and any position of need.

[badger1679666666]

 

Welcome!

 

You are off, however, saying dunn is one dimensional. Not only does he have stellar power. He has a career OPS over .900! Meaning he takes alot alot alot of walks.

 

Last year Dunn took 108 Walks. Thats nearly double as many as the cubs leader last year (Moises and Derrek tied for the lead, with 68!)

 

Dunn already has sixty-seven this year already...

 

True, he does only gets on base with hits 24% of the time. But who cares how he gets on base? As long as he gets on base. He gets on base 38% of the time. Also true that doubles triples and homers are all better than walks. And sometimes singles are too. But his Slugging percentage (.554, this year) leads you to beleive, hitting XBH isnt his problem.

 

 

The following will always be cited in every discussion:

 

High Strikeouts/High Walks

Low BA/High OBP

Too much All or nothing/.900+ OPS

 

That should have you prepared for any debates about Dunn.

 

 

Am I good or am I good?

[Roast]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

 

He actually did give another screen name from ESPN......alot of pages ago.

[Roast]

 

Welcome!

 

You are off, however, saying dunn is one dimensional. Not only does he have stellar power. He has a career OPS over .900! Meaning he takes alot alot alot of walks.

 

Last year Dunn took 108 Walks. Thats nearly double as many as the cubs leader last year (Moises and Derrek tied for the lead, with 68!)

 

Dunn already has sixty-seven this year already...

 

True, he does only gets on base with hits 24% of the time. But who cares how he gets on base? As long as he gets on base. He gets on base 38% of the time. Also true that doubles triples and homers are all better than walks. And sometimes singles are too. But his Slugging percentage (.554, this year) leads you to beleive, hitting XBH isnt his problem.

 

 

The following will always be cited in every discussion:

 

High Strikeouts/High Walks

Low BA/High OBP

Too much All or nothing/.900+ OPS

 

That should have you prepared for any debates about Dunn.

 

 

Am I good or am I good?

 

:lol:

 

They are always discussed, however, because they are true.

[Electron Blue]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

 

He actually did give another screen name from ESPN......alot of pages ago.

 

But did someone check it out :?:

[Roast]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

 

He actually did give another screen name from ESPN......alot of pages ago.

 

But did someone check it out :?:

 

I didnt. I'm too lazy. Someone else do it! lol.

[JC]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

 

He actually did give another screen name from ESPN......alot of pages ago.

 

But did someone check it out :?:

 

Does this really require legwork? I mean, why not just wait the 48 hours and see if it pans out? If not, crucify the guy if its warranted. Ban his IP. Go to other Cub sites and post Most Wanted posters. In the mean time, what difference does it make?

[Roast]

Well, if the person who posted this rumor would be willing to identify their username on these other boards, we'd be able to do some quick research and report back if the person seems to be a common non troll poster on those boards or not. If so, the odds of them just being your average net troll go down, because it isn't common for someone to be a good valued poster at one board and go troll another which pulls posters from the exact same fandom pool. AKA "if he makes a habit of this, people would go back to his usual home and call him on it".

 

Note that if he does this, and things don't pan out, you can't go back and give him crap on his usual board....

 

He actually did give another screen name from ESPN......alot of pages ago.

 

But did someone check it out :?:

 

Does this really require legwork? I mean, why not just wait the 48 hours and see if it pans out? If not, crucify the guy if its warranted. Ban his IP. Go to other Cub sites and post Most Wanted posters. In the mean time, what difference does it make?

 

:mamoru:

 

Some of us around here are getting overly anxious (not so much because of this post thread, more because there are 11 days left..) in the trade department. I love this time of year. But I hate the anticipation.

[Rusch33]

If the Cubs get Dunn, I'll be one of the happiest guys in the world.

[HoopsCubs]

How many people here are taking this thing seriously?

 

I'm not.

 

I am taking it as it is. A rumor from an unreliable source. Doesnt mean its wrong. Doesnt mean its right. Just a rumor from an unreliable source.

 

Too early to tell really if the source is "unreliable" or not. I would say more like the source is "unproven."

 

I am skeptical of the deal presented. I don't think Jim Hendry would trade Rich Hill or Corey Patterson to Cincinnati. I think Hendry will hold onto Hill, and would only trade Patterson to the AL. And despite what everyone is saying, I don't think Cincinnati trades Dunn to HOU, STL or us, if there is a trade at all. I think they'll shop Griffey, Casey, Pena and Kearns ahead of Dunn. The Dodgers are the most likely NL destination in my humble opinion if there is a dela to be made - they can offer the most (if they want to) and play in the NL West, so the Reds would only see Dunn 6 or 7 times a season as opposed to 17-19 times.

 

Also, according to a published report today in Minneapolis, the Orioles asked about getting Dunn, and were told by the Reds that the starting point is Erik Bedard and 2-3 other good players/prospects. Baltimore turned it down. I think Kearns is the guy Hendry wants.

[badger1679666666]

The thought of Kearns is really starting to turn me on. :shock:

 

Seriously though, he could be another gem found by Hendry, he has HUGE potential could be a career 800+ OPS guy. Nothing to shake your head at.