Cubs real close to getting Dunn (Shot down by Bruce Miles)

[wade]

the only worry is that dunn is likely as good as he's going to get...so banking on improvements in his performance is not a good idea.

 

I don't know, man. He's only 25 and I think there's a pretty good chance he will get even better than he is now. Lots of players reach their peak in their late 20's.

[gflore34]

Here's the thing I don't get. Patterson has been so bad this year that he'll likely be overpaid next year. The Reds don't spend all that much money, although their crooked owner has gobs of it. If they want a young outfielder who is major-league ready or at least close to it, why not demand Murton, a guy who hasn't been a complete bust this year? They'd definitely save money trading Dunn, but really wouldn't save as much if they acquired Patterson. Unless their coaches see something they think can be pretty easily fixed, I don't see why the Reds would want him.

 

I think your last sentence is on to something. If the Reds can rehabilitate Corey in the second half, they might be able to flip Corey for another starting pitcher this offseason...

 

After reading Patterson' comments regarding his long swing as the primary reason for his ineffectiveness, I don't know if he'll every get "it", he's seems rather clueless. The Reds may or may not be able to turn him around; in any case, they can have him. If this rumor is true, I believe Mitre is the kind of pitcher who can have success at Great American Ballpark, when on, that sinker is heavy. As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2. One thing is certain of Mitre, the Cub bullpen is not the right place for him. Hill could be another very good #3, possibly a #2 for the Reds.

 

Hill/Mitre >>>> Claussen/Hudson of the last two nights.

[LuckyPup]

Well, just my 2 cents but did hear where Junior told the Reds he would accept a trade to a contender- maybe the Yanks have come calling and the reds think they can move him-thus giving Patterson(a proven ML although he is struggling this year) the raines to CF-just a thought- this is a pretty good deal for both teams-and the reason for the 48 hours I guess is so he can get on the plane with the cubbies as they leave town :wink:

[Guest]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

[gflore34]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Thanks. I'm probably guilty of a comma splice.

[CubinNY]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

[JC]

If this deal doesn't happen in 48 hours, in for ban.

Even if the trade doesn't go down it doesn't necessarily mean the poster made it up. We know from the Bruce Levine fiasco earlier this year that trades can be reported by reputable sources and still not get finalized. Perhaps one of the teams backs out at the last minute, or perhaps the poster's source got bad information. One false report (if in fact it does turn out to be false) shouldn't be grounds for banning somebody. If he repeatedly makes false reports (as opposed to one time) that would be different.

 

I think this is right on. In addition, I would add that he made all of the appropriate disclaimers. If you go out and mortgage your house to bet it all on the Cubs winning the Wild Card because the will get Dunn based on this rumor, you deserve to lose your house.

[Guest]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

In high school I had an English teacher who had us write the longest run-on sentence we possibly could as an assignment. I have no idea how many commas I used, but I do remember my particular entry clocked in at three and half pages. Ms. West was not amused.

[TruffleShuffle]

If I were the Reds I'd ask for Williams instead of Mitre. If they want proven major leaguers... well, Williams has an above-average ERA+ the last two years as a 21/22 year old. That's a proven quality starting pitcher.

[gflore34]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

In high school I had an English teacher who had us write the longest run-on sentence we possibly could as an assignment. I have no idea how many commas I used, but I do remember my particular entry clocked in at three and half pages. Ms. West was not amused.

 

A conservative estimate of two commas per page gives you seven (2*3.5).

[JC]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

In high school I had an English teacher who had us write the longest run-on sentence we possibly could as an assignment. I have no idea how many commas I used, but I do remember my particular entry clocked in at three and half pages. Ms. West was not amused.

 

A conservative estimate of two commas per page gives you seven (2*3.5).

 

Your estimate is way too conservative. A run-on sentence for even just a page would require many more commas lest the reader would pass out from lack of oxygen if it were being read aloud, or develop debilitating brain cramps if read silently.

[Wheelimus]

Well, I won't be overly skeptical because I LOVE yapping about trade rumors :lol: Wouldn't be the first time in a fandom that unexpected insider info inspired someone to go new places to spread it, so here's hoping it's true. If not, flame retardent suits are on aisle 5...

 

As to the deal, have to say, I like it. I like it because I accept that, to get a player the quailty of Adam Dunn, you're going ot have to give up something of value.

 

Sergio Mitre was built to pitch in that ballpark, and while I'm high on him as a player, by the time he really got his shot with the Cubs, he'd be about ready to hit free agency anyway. We can afford to lose Sergio Mitre and not be hurt this year or next year, and that's a big deciding factor for me on pulling a trade.

 

Corey Patterson hurts, and I would love to see the Cubs sneak someone else in his place, but he has become expendable due to his ineffectiveness. If I were the Cubs I'd try to keep him, but if it's the choice between him or Adam Dunn, give me Adam Dunn.

 

Rich Hill, ouch. But you knew the Reds were going to ask for a top prospect. It hurts, but it's not someone we can't afford to give up.

 

If I'm the Cubs, I try to get a position player prospect back with Dunn, but if that's a deal breaker, I take it. Adam Dunn's don't come along every day, that perfect combination of power and getting on base if you can't drive it. Just hope Cubs fans realize the unique type of player he is and don't boo him because of his batting average.

[E.J.]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

In high school I had an English teacher who had us write the longest run-on sentence we possibly could as an assignment. I have no idea how many commas I used, but I do remember my particular entry clocked in at three and half pages. Ms. West was not amused.

 

A conservative estimate of two commas per page gives you seven (2*3.5).

 

 

Wait...are we trading for Dunn and a comma to be named later??? :scratch:

[USSoccer]

I'm skeptical that the Reds would want Hill instead of a pitcher who wouldn't suck in their ballpark. As much as I think of Hill, he would be bludgeoned in that park.

 

Then again, they signed Eric Milton, off of whom half the posters here could probably go deep given 4 AB's, so what do I know.

 

I don't think that deal gives Cinci enough, unless they plan on dealing Dunn, Kearns AND Griffey to rebuild their staff.

 

That's what I would do if I were the Reds. Deal all 3, because you'd probably end up with an entire starting staff by the time you were done, and none of those guys are going to help the Reds contend.

[RynoRules]

In this poster's defense, he qualified his post several times with "hope I am rights" and "reliable soruce" and "if I am wrong I apologize". I'll give him the benfit of the doubt and hope is on target.

 

I would also note that this trade makes sense based on what Jayson Stark's column on ESPN Insider says this morning. To paraphrase, the Reds asked the Stros for two MLers and two top-notch minor leaguers, beginning with Lane and Backe. The Stros balked.

 

The scenario our new friend proposes then is that the Stros walk away but the Cubs dangle Hill, Mitre and CPatt in front of the Reds (and I would bet one other, low-level minor league position player, but even if I am wrong, its pretty much the deal Stark said it would take to pry Dunn away). I think it makes sense. We'll see.

[Guest]

As we all know his problem is consistency, in his case, unlike Patterson', I believe Mitre, given a permanent spot in a rotation, will develop and give the Reds a very good #3 starter, possibly a #2.

Don't take this the wrong way, but six commas on one sentence has gotta be some sort of record. ;)

 

Quite a nice rate stat BK! :D

In high school I had an English teacher who had us write the longest run-on sentence we possibly could as an assignment. I have no idea how many commas I used, but I do remember my particular entry clocked in at three and half pages. Ms. West was not amused.

 

A conservative estimate of two commas per page gives you seven (2*3.5).

Dang... I had an old copy of the assignment stashed on a backup CD I have, but most of the file is corrupt so I can't check. I can tell you that the four-line title alone had eleven commas, though.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

If the Reds sent Junior to the MFYs, it would be a salary dump, because the Yanks have nothing to offer the Reds in terms of quality prospects except for Colter Bean--a young reliever that I love--and Eric Duncan. And with Edwin Encarnacion knocking on the door, the Reds have no room for or interest in Duncan.

 

So assuming the budget is not stretched for the Reds, and it appears it is not, moving Junior would seem to be a lower priority than moving Dunn. Since Dunn, unlike Junior, will yield some quality young players for the Reds.

 

Kearns would be a classic case of selling low, so I doubt they do that; for some reason, the Reds front office thinks Wily Mo is a long-term solution for them (I don't see it); Ryan Freel certainly goes nowhere.

 

So if they're going to move someone to get some pitching, and honestly, they need to, then Dunn is the guy they simply must trade. If they can get a couple additional prospects for unwanted veterans like Randa, Aurilia, Casey and Mercker, then they have a chance at least to drastically remake their team in the next ten days with an eye towards 2006.

 

Encarnacion, Lopez, Freel, Pena, Kearns, Kelly (DL), plus whoever they get in trades, those are some nice building blocks.

 

Unfortunately for them, they are stuck with Milton, that was a boneheaded signing and no one will take him unless the Reds eat most of the money.

[Chocolate Milk]

If this happens, I will be a happy camper.

[marc_foust]

Well after reading all 8 pages of this thread I can see this prediction going either way. If it doesnt I wont flame I because I believe he really has a source. The deal sounds ok but I think there may be one more prospect in the deal but those three the big names. I would also love to find out what it would cost to get Kearns as well. An outfield of Dunn, Hairston, and Kearns along with an infield of ARam/Nomar/Cendeno/Walker/Lee/Barrett sounds really good to me and it would last for a couple of years at least. If we can pull off this deal and keep our starters (Prior, Wood, Z, Williams), bench (Holla, Neifi, Gerut, Grieve, Murton, Blanco) Bullpen (Wuertz, Demp, Novoa, G-Unit, Ohman, Williamson) then we have a nice core put together heading into this offseason. This deal could be the move that puts us over the top for years to come if we can lock them all up.

[ctcf]

If this deal doesn't happen in 48 hours, in for ban.

Even if the trade doesn't go down it doesn't necessarily mean the poster made it up. We know from the Bruce Levine fiasco earlier this year that trades can be reported by reputable sources and still not get finalized. Perhaps one of the teams backs out at the last minute, or perhaps the poster's source got bad information. One false report (if in fact it does turn out to be false) shouldn't be grounds for banning somebody. If he repeatedly makes false reports (as opposed to one time) that would be different.

 

I think this is right on. In addition, I would add that he made all of the appropriate disclaimers. If you go out and mortgage your house to bet it all on the Cubs winning the Wild Card because the will get Dunn based on this rumor, you deserve to lose your house.

 

Gah... I was kidding. Sarcasm apparently does need a color...

[USSoccer]

If the Reds sent Junior to the MFYs, it would be a salary dump, because the Yanks have nothing to offer the Reds in terms of quality prospects except for Colter Bean--a young reliever that I love--and Eric Duncan. And with Edwin Encarnacion knocking on the door, the Reds have no room for or interest in Duncan.

 

So assuming the budget is not stretched for the Reds, and it appears it is not, moving Junior would seem to be a lower priority than moving Dunn. Since Dunn, unlike Junior, will yield some quality young players for the Reds.

 

Kearns would be a classic case of selling low, so I doubt they do that; for some reason, the Reds front office thinks Wily Mo is a long-term solution for them (I don't see it); Ryan Freel certainly goes nowhere.

 

So if they're going to move someone to get some pitching, and honestly, they need to, then Dunn is the guy they simply must trade. If they can get a couple additional prospects for unwanted veterans like Randa, Aurilia, Casey and Mercker, then they have a chance at least to drastically remake their team in the next ten days with an eye towards 2006.

 

Encarnacion, Lopez, Freel, Pena, Kearns, Kelly (DL), plus whoever they get in trades, those are some nice building blocks.

 

Unfortunately for them, they are stuck with Milton, that was a boneheaded signing and no one will take him unless the Reds eat most of the money.

 

The Yankees have some decent A and AA prospects. As you noted, however, the main motivation would be to get out of that contract, and for a franchise like Cincinatti, that's as good as a top prospect.

 

In regards to Kearns, I think that he value is as such that O'Brien, were he competent, could get one good pitcher out of it. I'd be happy with that return if I were them, as I don't think Kearns is that good.

 

I agree with you on Dunn; he's their best chance to get impact players, which is why the deal that is rumored here doesn't make sense for them. I don't think Mitre and Hill are impact players, and I think we'd have to give up one really good prospect in addition to the players involved to get it done. Think Dopirak. Which I would do, since I don't think much of Dopirak to be other than perfect trade bait.

[nolanwood]

please, oh, please let me see Dunn in a Cubs uniform this weekend at Busch!!!!! :D

[badger1679666666]

There is a lot of cream in many peoples shorts during this thread.

 

:lol:

 

I'm not buying it.

 

Mitre, Hill, and Patterson for Dunn? That's it? Seems like Hendry would be ripping off the Reds big time. You'd think they'd want more to trade Dunn w/in the division.

[USSoccer]

There is a lot of cream in many peoples shorts during this thread.

 

:lol:

 

I'm not buying it.

 

Mitre, Hill, and Patterson for Dunn? That's it? Seems like Hendry would be ripping off the Reds big time. You'd think they'd want more to trade Dunn w/in the division.

 

Especially considering that they don't *have* to trade him.

[moorecg]

please, oh, please let me see Dunn in a Cubs uniform this weekend at Busch!!!!! :D

 

I agree. Any extra fire power...no matter who it ends up being...would really be appreciated before we head into Busch. It would mean the world to this Club (not to mention me)to walk in there and take all three.