Cubs real close to getting Dunn (Shot down by Bruce Miles)

[nilodnayr]

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Dunn

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Holla

Pitcher

 

Wow, since when could Dunn play SS?!?! :D Move over Miggy, you've got some competition!

Edited July 20, 2005 by nilodnayr

[David]

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Dunn

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Holla

Pitcher

 

So you're putting JHJr. at short? I don't have a huge problem with this... better than Neifi... I'm not sure I'd rather have Holla in there than even an underproductive Nomar though..

[rocket]

this is the lineup with dunn. i wouldn't do it, but this is dusty's vision.

 

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Burnitz

Ramirez

Dunn

Barrett

Neifi

 

Baker has his righty/lefty cream dream with this lineup. Personally I'd switch Burnitz and Dunn, but our lineup with Dunn ANYWHERE improves a lot.

[imb]

Im just stupid. I meant Neifi but I was thinking about Holly.

 

Id put Burnitz in CF before Holly.

[nilodnayr]

Plus, Barrett does much better outside of the 8-hole.. Seems he loses any concept of patience when he's down there..

 

Ah, well. It'd sure be a good problem to have... :)

 

he does it on purpose, you dont want your 8 hitter taking a bunch of walks for the pitcher to make the last out in the inning. Thats exactly why I want him there, hes a smart enough hitter to realize that you need to take a different approach based on where you hit...just look at his stats last year hitting second. He took more walks, but it affected his batting average. I think Barrett is a great 8 hitter...especially with the rest of that lineup.

[David]

Plus, Barrett does much better outside of the 8-hole.. Seems he loses any concept of patience when he's down there..

 

Ah, well. It'd sure be a good problem to have... :)

 

he does it on purpose, you dont want your 8 hitter taking a bunch of walks for the pitcher to make the last out in the inning. Thats exactly why I want him there, hes a smart enough hitter to realize that you need to take a different approach based on where you hit...just look at his stats last year hitting second. He took more walks, but it effected his batting average. I think Barrett is a great 8 hitter...especially with the rest of that lineup.

 

Meh.. to me, you always do whatever you can not to make an out. I don't want him purposely sucking because he's in the 8-hole, regardless of who comes up next.

 

Plus, I would rather have the pitcher making the last out than coming up to leadoff the next inning..

[nilodnayr]

Im just stupid. I meant Neifi but I was thinking about Holly.

 

Id put Burnitz in CF before Holly.

 

I think the proposed question was what would you do with Nomar and Dunn in the lineup.

[sporrer17]

It would make sense, the Cubs might want to pick him up quickly to bring him along for the weekend set with STL. And if that's all the trade is, where do I sign?

 

I know Dunn is not the greatest hitter ever, nor will he ever be a good contact hitter (IMO)...but still, a 25 year old with his power, his ability to draw a walk, and his SLG percentage=happiness for all Cubdom.

 

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Dunn

Nomar

Burnitz

Barrett

---------

 

nilodnayr: that's an awesome possibility (2-8 with .800+ OPS...)

[imb]

Plus, Barrett does much better outside of the 8-hole.. Seems he loses any concept of patience when he's down there..

 

Ah, well. It'd sure be a good problem to have... :)

 

he does it on purpose, you dont want your 8 hitter taking a bunch of walks for the pitcher to make the last out in the inning. Thats exactly why I want him there, hes a smart enough hitter to realize that you need to take a different approach based on where you hit...just look at his stats last year hitting second. He took more walks, but it affected his batting average. I think Barrett is a great 8 hitter...especially with the rest of that lineup.

 

I dont want Barrett making the last out, thats dumb. You dont want the pitcher batting leadoff.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Hairston

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Cedeño

 

With Nomar...

 

Hairston

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Garciaparra

Barrett

[forbez18]

I dont post much either, but when I read that last one it was one of the best things I have ever read. That being said I dont see this trade happening untill the series is over. It would be a little awkward to trade guys in the middle of a series, so it looks like we will all have to wait more then a few days to find out if this is true:

 

Lineup:

 

Harriston

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Dunn

Burny

Nomar (Cedeno)

catcher spot

Zambrano*

 

*I love watching him play

[Jazz]

How can you not hit Dunn 3rd? He has almost as perfect a mix of OBP and Power as well...Lee (not not to that extent of course :P).

 

Hairston

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Perez

 

Of course dusty will surely fiddle with that lineup, and it will also shakeup when nomar gets back, but Dunn makes this team IMO, an offensive force(-baker that is).

The bench also gets that much better with holla being the primary lefty bat

 

so the bench looks like this:

 

Cedeno

Macias

Gerut

Hollandsworth

Blanco

Murton

 

and when nomar gets back we can release macias (YAY!)

[David]

Couldn't the mods (*clears throat* RAISIN) do an IP check to see if sweetemotion is an alt-nick, at least? Or is that something only Tim is able to do?

[forbez18]

LEE LEE LEE

 

Thats why you wouldn't bat Dunn 3rd.

[David]

How can you not hit Dunn 3rd? He has almost as perfect a mix of OBP and Power as well...Lee (not not to that extent of course :P).

 

Hairston

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Perez

 

Of course dusty will surely fiddle with that lineup, and it will also shakeup when nomar gets back, but Dunn makes this team IMO, an offensive force(-baker that is).

The bench also gets that much better with holla being the primary lefty bat

 

so the bench looks like this:

 

Cedeno

Macias

Gerut

Hollandsworth

Blanco

Murton

 

and when nomar gets back we can release macias (YAY!)

 

Of course, we know that WON'T happen... oh, well. I would rather they send down Cedeno anyways. Don't want the poor kid to rot on our bench any longer than he has to.

[David]

I see this thread getting very long in a hurry... 5 pages already and it's the middle of the night..

[sporrer17]

Question for you folks...with Burnitz not hitting LH's all that well this year, do we then go with a Burnitz/Murton platoon rather than letting Murton rot on our bench the rest of the year? He's under .240 against LH's...

 

And adding Dunn would allow us to have the luxury of sitting Burnitz and still having LH thunder.

 

Personally, I like the idea of a Burnitz/Murton platoon in RF, or maybe Dunn plays RF and Murton in LF. (against LHs)

[nilodnayr]

Plus, Barrett does much better outside of the 8-hole.. Seems he loses any concept of patience when he's down there..

 

Ah, well. It'd sure be a good problem to have... :)

 

he does it on purpose, you dont want your 8 hitter taking a bunch of walks for the pitcher to make the last out in the inning. Thats exactly why I want him there, hes a smart enough hitter to realize that you need to take a different approach based on where you hit...just look at his stats last year hitting second. He took more walks, but it effected his batting average. I think Barrett is a great 8 hitter...especially with the rest of that lineup.

 

Meh.. to me, you always do whatever you can not to make an out. I don't want him purposely sucking because he's in the 8-hole, regardless of who comes up next.

 

Plus, I would rather have the pitcher making the last out than coming up to leadoff the next inning..

 

All depends on the situation. If theres no one on base and 2 outs, take the walk. Let the pitcher get the last out, or bring a PH which hopefully would be a power hitter (unless Dusty is your manager and PHs Macias)). If theres some one on base, put the ball in play (280 BA isnt sucking) and see what happens even if its just a man on first (~50 XBH per year). Sabermetric and out is an out is an out only goes so far. In the 8 hole the chance of getting a hit should you put the ball into play is double the the chance of the pitcher not making an out. Therefore you want your 8 hole hitter putting everyball he can (within reason) into play in situations in which a PH will not be used.

[Outshined_One]

I'm not very comfortable with the idea of Dunn in RF. It seems like every time the Reds play the Cubs, Dunn makes a blockheaded move in the OF...and then blasts a 450 foot HR shortly thereafter.

 

However, in LF, I'd be all for it.

Edited July 20, 2005 by Outshined_One

[Jazz]

Question for you folks...with Burnitz not hitting LH's all that well this year, do we then go with a Burnitz/Murton platoon rather than letting Murton rot on our bench the rest of the year? He's under .240 against LH's...

 

And adding Dunn would allow us to have the luxury of sitting Burnitz and still having LH thunder.

 

Personally, I like the idea of a Burnitz/Murton platoon in RF, or maybe Dunn plays RF and Murton in LF. (against LHs)

 

its a good idea, but one dusty would never do unless murton "learns from the vets" :sigh:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Couldn't the mods (*clears throat* RAISIN) do an IP check to see if sweetemotion is an alt-nick, at least? Or is that something only Tim is able to do?

 

No other poster has posted from that IP.

[AAApittsburgh]

Question for you folks...with Burnitz not hitting LH's all that well this year, do we then go with a Burnitz/Murton platoon rather than letting Murton rot on our bench the rest of the year? He's under .240 against LH's...

 

And adding Dunn would allow us to have the luxury of sitting Burnitz and still having LH thunder.

 

Personally, I like the idea of a Burnitz/Murton platoon in RF, or maybe Dunn plays RF and Murton in LF. (against LHs)

I'd rather Murton get sent to AAA if we were to get Dunn. Platoons don't seem to work very well under Dusty and Murton should be getting regular playing time in the minors. I'd rather just move Barrett up in the order when the Cubs are facing a lefty and move Burnitz down a slot or two.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

and when nomar gets back we can release macias (YAY!)

 

Of course, we know that WON'T happen... oh, well. I would rather they send down Cedeno anyways. Don't want the poor kid to rot on our bench any longer than he has to.

 

Cedeño will definitely be going back to AAA (and getting some PT, thankfully) when Nomar is ready. Macias is going nowhere, folks.

[nilodnayr]

Question for you folks...with Burnitz not hitting LH's all that well this year, do we then go with a Burnitz/Murton platoon rather than letting Murton rot on our bench the rest of the year? He's under .240 against LH's...

 

And adding Dunn would allow us to have the luxury of sitting Burnitz and still having LH thunder.

 

Personally, I like the idea of a Burnitz/Murton platoon in RF, or maybe Dunn plays RF and Murton in LF. (against LHs)

 

I'd like to have Murton get as many ABs as possible, but I think his pressence as a platoon and #1 (hopefully) RH PH off the bench would be valuable to the ML team to not send him back to West Tenn.

[David]

Couldn't the mods (*clears throat* RAISIN) do an IP check to see if sweetemotion is an alt-nick, at least? Or is that something only Tim is able to do?

 

No other poster has posted from that IP.

 

Good to know.. thanks!