Trade deadline target

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, squally1313 said:

We should probably see if Wiggins can pitch at all decently in AAA before we worry about his value to us or some other team. I’m not imagining the 5+ BB/9 rate right?

This is true. Also, probably a good reason the Cubs won’t be able to pull off a trade now and most likely it will be close to the deadline. Hopefully Wiggins is pitching well by then. At that time we can worry about overpaying for a quality arm. 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Another great outing by Ryan

[Gjfificifjdej]

At this point the idea the Cubs will be buys at the deadline is a huge assumption. Through 50 games we have a 23 game stretch of an elite team, sandwich’d by 27 games of potentially the worst team in the NL. Could go either way. 

[squally1313]

9 minutes ago, Gjfificifjdej said:

At this point the idea the Cubs will be buys at the deadline is a huge assumption. Through 50 games we have a 23 game stretch of an elite team, sandwich’d by 27 games of potentially the worst team in the NL. Could go either way. 

Is it really a huge assumption though 

[squally1313]

The padres/brewers were projected to be good teams and have so far played above projections through a third of the season. If you only look at the games they lost though, they’re actually pretty terrible, so maybe we should look to see who they might be selling. 

[Post Count Padder]

The Padres make no sense to me. Their stars are all terrible this year. I have as many homers as Tatis this season. Gavin Sheets is their best hitter. The pitching has been mostly mediocre aside from a couple starters and Mason Miller. Yet they're 29-20.

[Rcal10]

42 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Is it really a huge assumption though 

No. It is panic talk to suggest the Cubs won’t be in it. Silly too, if you ask me. 

[731.4life]

1 hour ago, Post Count Padder said:

The Padres make no sense to me. Their stars are all terrible this year. I have as many homers as Tatis this season. Gavin Sheets is their best hitter. The pitching has been mostly mediocre aside from a couple starters and Mason Miller. Yet they're 29-20.

Their stats are weird. Not very good in starting pitching, not very good in offensively hitting, but they're legit in the bullpen from what I've. It's weird, but I don't see it being sustainable for a 162.

[Gjfificifjdej]

4 hours ago, squally1313 said:

Is it really a huge assumption though 

It is absolutely a huge assumption to figure that a team missing its top 4 starting pitchers will be buyers at the deadline. 

[squally1313]

49 minutes ago, Gjfificifjdej said:

It is absolutely a huge assumption to figure that a team missing its top 4 starting pitchers will be buyers at the deadline. 

Come on man. 29-21 without Steele. 26-17 without Horton. Cabrera has a blister. You will find no bigger ally on ‘the pitching staff is a disaster’ than me, but it’s been a disaster and we’re on a 94 win pace a third of the way through the year. The offense/defense combo is really, really good. If you’re going to say we played like the worst team in the NL for 27 games (probably statistically true) then you also have to say we played like the best team in baseball history for the other 23. The solution to the problems of a 29-21 team are right in front of everyone. 
 

For what it’s worth, we’re +380 to miss the playoffs. We’re (slight) betting favorites to win the division, even though we’re apparently cursed by beer cheese or whatever. 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

 even though we’re apparently cursed by beer cheese or whatever. 

Yeah, the Brewers boogeyman crap needs to stop. I've been guilty of it myself and I've come to realize it just comes off as sad and pathetic

[soccer10k]

6 hours ago, squally1313 said:

Is it really a huge assumption though 

Didn't you predict this a few weeks ago? Probably during the first 10 game winning streak.

[Gjfificifjdej]

9 hours ago, squally1313 said:

Come on man. 29-21 without Steele. 26-17 without Horton. Cabrera has a blister. You will find no bigger ally on ‘the pitching staff is a disaster’ than me, but it’s been a disaster and we’re on a 94 win pace a third of the way through the year. The offense/defense combo is really, really good. If you’re going to say we played like the worst team in the NL for 27 games (probably statistically true) then you also have to say we played like the best team in baseball history for the other 23. The solution to the problems of a 29-21 team are right in front of everyone. 
 

For what it’s worth, we’re +380 to miss the playoffs. We’re (slight) betting favorites to win the division, even though we’re apparently cursed by beer cheese or whatever. 

I agree with you on the 23 game period of being the best, I just don’t see a way they can survive rolling out a starting rotation with one guy who still would be there if everyone was healthy (Shota) and he finished 2025 completely unplayable and hasn’t looked good lately. Lineup has been horrible but lately but they seem to just be streaky. 

[squally1313]

https://fansided.com/mlb/mlb-insider-what-could-the-detroit-tigers-get-in-a-tarik-skubal-trade

[Tryptamine]

The 3rd executive saying a top 10 prospect in the game along with a fringe top 100 guy has lost his damn mind. I can easily see a couple top 100 guys, but the top 10 guys carry so much more value than a guy in the latter part of the top 100. My guess would be something painful like Rojas/Ramirez + Kepley+ Reid.  I could see it costing both Rojas and Ramirez and man would that suck.

[Geographyhater8888]

Skubal is the type of rental pitcher you consider trading Shaw for. Wiggins too. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Geographyhater8888

[Outshined_One]

16 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

This is where you consider using Shaw. If you’re going to give up Shaw for a rental if it’s Skubal, as long as his velocity is back. 

You consider trading Shaw for someone with multiple years of control, not a rental.

[Geographyhater8888]

2 hours ago, Outshined_One said:

You consider trading Shaw for someone with multiple years of control, not a rental.

You’re probably right, but he’s also blocked and you’d throw in less prospect capital. His versatility would be the biggest loss out of anything, not his corner outfield bat with future uncertainty there. Skubal is the best pitcher on the planet and would make the Cubs more than a ‘get in and anything can happen’ WS contender. Joe Ryan doesn’t move the needle to the same degree, in a season with a number of starters off the books and an infield that isn’t getting any younger.  I’d hate to see him in Milwaukee or anywhere else in the NL instead . Not my first choice, depends on the market. 
 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Geographyhater8888

[sneakypower]

Matt Shaw has 1.4 fWAR in 168 GP, currently sitting at replacement level with a statcast nearly covered in blue paint, his role can just as capably be filled with Jorge Mateo types you can find anywhere; i'm trading him for the first offer that presents any actual value if i'm to be honest

no real sense in clutching tightly to Skip Schumaker

[Backtobanks]

20 minutes ago, sneakypower said:

Matt Shaw has 1.4 fWAR in 168 GP, currently sitting at replacement level with a statcast nearly covered in blue paint, his role can just as capably be filled with Jorge Mateo types you can find anywhere; i'm trading him for the first offer that presents any actual value if i'm to be honest

no real sense in clutching tightly to Skip Schumaker

I've been saying this for a long time.  Shaw is a utility player on the Cubs' roster and yet he has the trade value to be the first piece in a TOR trade.  His trade value is decreasing daily.  Other teams may have a need and picture him as a solid, controlled IF, so trade him now.

[squally1313]

Yeah I struggle to think of a trading partner where the other team gives up a piece that noticeably improves our team and also has multiple years of control and all they get back is a league average hitter (generously) with positional flexibility. If he can get you a needle mover, even if it's a 10 week needle mover, this is the time/year to do it. 

[mul21]

45 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Yeah I struggle to think of a trading partner where the other team gives up a piece that noticeably improves our team and also has multiple years of control and all they get back is a league average hitter (generously) with positional flexibility. If he can get you a needle mover, even if it's a 10 week needle mover, this is the time/year to do it. 

What if I told you they're getting a gold glove 3B with a league average OPS+ that would land him in the top 10 3B in MLB?  Does that sell better? 

[squally1313]

19 minutes ago, mul21 said:

What if I told you they're getting a gold glove 3B with a league average OPS+ that would land him in the top 10 3B in MLB?  Does that sell better? 

-1 outs above average in 1040 innings at third. Are you talking about trading someone else?

also like, that article implies heavily that we’d need to beat out preller and Friedman being irrational. That goes both ways right? ‘Hey everyone, we’re trading Matt Shaw for two months of skubal. Does anyone want to offer anything better? He’s valuable-ish but we have no real use for him’

[Stratos]

19 hours ago, Post Count Padder said:

The Padres make no sense to me. Their stars are all terrible this year. I have as many homers as Tatis this season. Gavin Sheets is their best hitter. The pitching has been mostly mediocre aside from a couple starters and Mason Miller. Yet they're 29-20.

It pleases me when the Padres struggle.

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, Backtobanks said:

I've been saying this for a long time.  Shaw is a utility player on the Cubs' roster and yet he has the trade value to be the first piece in a TOR trade.  His trade value is decreasing daily.  Other teams may have a need and picture him as a solid, controlled IF, so trade him now.

We need a backup in case any of our INF get hurt.  Shaw is it.  We also may be replacing 2 corner OF next year.  I don't see them trading Shaw.  I think Rojas and/or Ramirez are much more likely to be traded, or other prospects.

Given how Jed has behaved in all previous deadlines i think an average or worse SP and/or reliever seems more likely than any impact arms, unless we get a guy with control.