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19 minutes ago, Derwood said:

We signed the Vanilla Gorilla. Print your Super Bowl tickets now

Not only that but he traded up for that Georgia Tech tackle, Van something. I think we owe Ryan Poles an apology after bashing him for neglecting the trenches. 

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3 hours ago, Derwood said:

We signed the Vanilla Gorilla. Print your Super Bowl tickets now

Like what I read about him, some mocks had him going on day 3, got PFF pass and run blocking grades in the 70's. 

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I think the Bears ended up with a solid draft, but took a questionable route to get there. 

Thieneman- full disclosure, I had McNeil-Warren as the better safety, by just a tad. That being said, I am willing to go against my gut and go with the consensus best player on the board at the position of biggest need. Obviously, he's a day 1 starter at safety, so no issues with the pick. Interesting though, Bears could have gone elsewhere here and still had EMW, who went 58. There just wasn't anyone better than Thieneman on the board IMO.

Logan Jones- again, I didn't have him as my top C, but clearly the Bears did. Of course, my C1 didn't go til the 5th round (Hecht). I'm willing to get on board with this move. Jones was my C2, so they got consensus top 2 players (by most accounts) at S and C. The next C went off the board at 63, so there may not have been the ability to take him at 69 after the trade down. My only concern is you could have traded down from 57, taken Jones and 60 and maybe gotten a bit more in that trade down? 

Roush- I know a lot hate this pick, but in hindsight, I get it. TEs were coming off the board like crazy. 5 TEs went off the board before him, 4 of those within a 15 pick span where the Bears had the two 2nds. So, if the Bears truly identified Roush as their guy, and felt they HAD to have him, then this was the right place to pick him. Three more TEs went before the Bears next pick, and he undoubtedly would have been gone by 124 or wherever they picked.

Thomas- It was obvious to me the Bears were going to take a really fast WR in this draft. Like TE, WRs came flying off the board at a record pace as well (most pass catchers in top 100 ever). But it's perfectly fair to question the pick and player. The pick, obviously front 4 was a huge need. And this was a real sweet spot for many of the DTs I liked personally. But the Bears didn't apparently. The player, I think if you wanted speedy, gadgety guy, there were guys like Brenan Thompson and Skyler Bell who were either just as fast (Thompson) or plenty fast enough (Bell) who are better at actual WR things. And then there were speedy outside guys like Bryce Lance or Colby Young who can fly and were better players too. 

Muhammad- no problem with this pick or player. CB getting some 2nd round steam in the last week or so. Got him in the 4th, CB is a depth and long-term need for sure. No issues here. You basically lost your chance to add any real DL help by this point anyway so take the best player out there, which Muhammad had a legit argument to be that.

Elliott- again, the DL left wasn't going to move the needle any. Got him in the late 5th and was projected to go in the 4th or so. Depth LB. Only issue is that you just drafted a depth LB in the mid rounds last year with Ruben Hyppollite. 

Van den berg- I actually love this dude. He is very raw as a player, but he has elite athleticism with a 10 RAS and elite strength (35 reps of 225, dad was Mr Olympia South Africa). That strength just has to be more football functional. Definitely a late pick I can see making the team and outplaying his draft status. Good pick.

 

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Van Der Slootberg and  Bagent’s dads should partner up in a heated rivalry style show about football dads with niche strength related accomplishments that do not translate into practical use 

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In general, they hit all the positions I thought they would, except Edge. The big issue is the overall big picture. Like you can't just keep saying "we didn't like any of the DL in this class" or "we didn't have any guys we liked fall to us". Well, Poles has shown the willingness to trade up. He traded up for Tyrique Stevenson and this year for Muhammad and Vanderberg. So he definitely has the ability to identify a guy he wants and go get him. I just don't know why he doesn't "go get him" when that guy is in the trenches constantly. 

Poles has got to show more foresight. If there's even a remote chance you don't come out of Day 2 with DL help, then you HAVE to do more in free agency or on the trade front. I understand people gave up astronomical amounts for Crosby and then Dexter Lawrence, but the lack of a plan B/C is hurting Poles, IMO.

And I understand that Dayo/Grady took away a lot of ability to really make a big splash there in free agency, but then you gotta do more to identify and get your guy in the draft. And I will appreciate the fact that the focus early in the draft has been getting and supporting your QB. But you've had a clear weakness since 2022 when Brisker led the team with 4 sacks. Poles has made the effort, but with Sweat, Dayo, Grady, Dexter, Pickens, Ngakoue, Darrell Taylor, whatever, but it's clearly still not good enough. You can't keep missing opportunities to make it good enough. Whether it's more draft capital, better scouting, more aggressive trading, or more wise free agent spending, there's not much of an excuse to have this DL (on paper) at this point in his regime.
 

 

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He’s made it pretty clear he just doesn’t value pass rush as much as coverage. Words and action support that idea. Maybe the former is a cover for the latter but he doesn’t see value at the pass rush positions. 
 

he’ll draft for special teams guys before D end. 

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21 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

He’s made it pretty clear he just doesn’t value pass rush as much as coverage. Words and action support that idea. Maybe the former is a cover for the latter but he doesn’t see value at the pass rush positions. 
 

he’ll draft for special teams guys before D end. 

I agree.  But what about stopping the run then? He’s not doing a good job there either.  He can maybe stake a claim to valuing coverage over pass rush but not if his players also suck stopping the run.

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I think from 30,000 feet it’s nice that they have safety and center likely taken care of for a bit. Kmet’s replacement is here a year early and the corner depth is fine. But the route they took to get there while ignoring more important positions (again) leaves a lot to be desired 
 

the two special team reaches at wr/lb are way too much like guys who’ve been brought in for similar purposes in recent years. How many non pass rushing LBs can you possibly acquire when LBs barely affect the game? 
the Afrikaners DT is a fun story but ultimately probably not much different from the Dominique Robinson “raw athlete” story. 

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17 hours ago, Soul said:

I agree.  But what about stopping the run then? He’s not doing a good job there either.  He can maybe stake a claim to valuing coverage over pass rush but not if his players also suck stopping the run.

This, it's the primary reason they were terrible on defense, couldn't get off the field enough.  Stop the run, sacks and QB pressures will come.

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12 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Cam Jordan, Joey Bossa, Hasaan Reddick, Calais Campbell, Von Miller still available. Any interest there?

They're all cooked, it's why they're still available.  That said, maybe, take a chance on the least cooked or youngest?  Bosa or Reddick?

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