Cubs (Imanaga?) vs Brewers (Misiorowski?): 10/11/25, 7:08pm

[Stratos]

37 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

If im reading the 2026 payroll right, they will have between 166 to 199 (with the 3 options) on the book, and the Threshold is set at 244.

It would be nice if they can at least get close to 240s again.

With the CBA expiring after 2026, I wonder if more teams would consider going over Threshold with adding a bigger contract or two, especially if it their first time and pay the 20%, with the chance that there could be a different set of rules with a new CBA

What options do they have to decide, besides Imanaga?  I know Kittredge, and...?

[Stratos]

10 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I don't think I will be. My expectations are not Kyle Tucker, but the team will almost assuredly bring in someone of the Dylan Cease, Michael King category of FA. That doesn't mean it has to be one of them, but someone in this category of FA. And that feels pretty in line with how the Cubs have acted in recent years. 

I could see someone like King or similar because there's some upside there which are SP they seem to target, I think they'd likely be outbid on Cease.  Some upside on him too but probably less value there on the kind of contract he'll get.

[Stratos]

7 hours ago, Outshined_One said:

I don't see trading Shaw as giving up on him. I'd see it as maximizing his present value, given that he has proven that he can be at least an above average 3B just with his defense, and his bat is a bit of an open question going forward. He can still be a starting quality 3B with a long career with a mediocre bat and good defense, but I think that can be upgraded for next season.

The big question I think we all have for next season is the rotation, and I get the sense there's only so much money in the kitty that a trade pretty much *has* to happen to get either a big bat or a TOR starter. I'm skeptical they'll be able to acquire both in FA, but I think replacing Shaw's current production would be doable with Bregman or Suarez, and I think a lot of teams would be open to trading a top flight controllable SP for him.

I think trading away cheap young talented controllable 3B in Paredes, Cam Smith, and Shaw and having no 3B after years of not having one since KB would be a big organizational failure.  Cubs chose to keep Shaw over the other 2 and I think they should see it out, he still has offensive potential.  I get that a lot of fans no longer like him since Kirk-gate but I don't think this is the right call.

[gflore34]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

The Brewers really showed they have no class this series.   What a bunch of petty trolls:

 

 

Ahh, let them have their fun/whatever, in about a week they'll be home like almost everyone else watching the WS.

[Stratos]

4 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Ahh, let them have their fun/whatever, in about a week they'll be home like almost everyone else watching the WS.

I'm proud that the Cubs were classy in winning and classy in losing vs the Padres/Brewers.

[Thusly Boned]

27 minutes ago, Stratos said:

I think trading away cheap young talented controllable 3B in Paredes, Cam Smith, and Shaw and having no 3B after years of not having one since KB would be a big organizational failure.  Cubs chose to keep Shaw over the other 2 and I think they should see it out, he still has offensive potential.  I get that a lot of fans no longer like him since Kirk-gate but I don't think this is the right call.

People talk crap, but I think most here are able to separate their revulsion for Shaw's person with his performance and player potential (see opinion on Shaw v. Busch).

Outside of his brief hot streak his numbers were an affront to humanity and including his hot streak, they're still putrid. And the eye test is even less reassuring. That said, outside of the two Japanese 3B likely to be posted and Bregman, there's not a lot else out there.

[Thusly Boned]

11 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Ahh, let them have their fun/whatever, in about a week they'll be home like almost everyone else watching the WS.

This was their WS, at least it was to their fans.

I hope they enjoy it, because the Dodgers are probably about to stomp a mudhole in them.

[Thusly Boned]

10 hours ago, 17 Seconds said:

they might be better on paper than they were on paper this year, but I just don't see them winning 97 games again

They might play better consistently over 162, but I don't see them going 40-10 over a 50 game stretch again.

I don't seem them getting some of the pitching performances they got (Priester), and I don't see them getting repeat performance from their oompa loompa corps (Durbin/Collins/Frelick). Also was Turang's aberrant power surge an aberration?

They're a good bet to be good again, but there are some questions.

[chibears55]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

What options do they have to decide, besides Imanaga?  I know Kittredge, and...?

Rea

[soccer10k]

8 hours ago, Jason Ross said:

Not every young player acts this way, you are correct. To act like Pete Crow Armstrong is somehow special in this aspect is also missing the boat. He is a very emotional player, but there are other young emotional players. 

Pete is just 23. These types of behaviors are especially prevent in the college ranks. Players who are very close in age to PCA. 

Bryce Harper got a lot of the same flak when he was young too for his behavior on the field. That's not to compare their baseball talent, but what Pete is doing isn't unheard of. 

I would like him to calm down a bit myself. I don't think it helps him out. I also don't find it special or unique. 

I'm really not sure what exactly you're arguing with at this point. The original post was that normal people don't behave like this, which it seems like you agree with. It also seems like you agree that he needs to tone it down and that acting like this doesn't help him.

I mean, is he unique in that he's literally the only baseball player who throws his helmet like this? Nope. You got me there. But I would venture a guess that he's in the top 0.01% of baseball players in terms of how often he slams his helmet.

And Misiorowski getting overly excited early in a playoff game and PCA slamming his helmet countless times this season aren't comparable in any way really.

[Rcal10]

9 minutes ago, soccer10k said:

I'm really not sure what exactly you're arguing with at this point. The original post was that normal people don't behave like this, which it seems like you agree with. It also seems like you agree that he needs to tone it down and that acting like this doesn't help him.

I mean, is he unique in that he's literally the only baseball player who throws his helmet like this? Nope. You got me there. But I would venture a guess that he's in the top 0.01% of baseball players in terms of how often he slams his helmet.

And Misiorowski getting overly excited early in a playoff game and PCA slamming his helmet countless times this season aren't comparable in any way really.

Correct. Misiorowski’s conduct was way more over the top. He for 3 deixken outs in an inning and acted like he pitched a perfect game. You are also exaggerating PCA’s actions. He is fine. I have never seen him act like Mis did. That was way over the top. 

[Cuzi]

Pretty sure I've seen Palencia walk off the field like Misiorowski did. Why are we crying about a player being excited about doing a good thing for his team? He wasn't directing it at and taunting the Cubs, so what's the big deal? You know how you stop that? Taking your damn walk instead of chasing horsefeathers 12 inches outside.

[Stratos]

54 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Correct. Misiorowski’s conduct was way more over the top. He for 3 deixken outs in an inning and acted like he pitched a perfect game. You are also exaggerating PCA’s actions. He is fine. I have never seen him act like Mis did. That was way over the top. 

I don't think anyone cares when a player shows emotion generally, as long as it's not disrespectful towards anyone.  I thought Misiorowski looked goofy and it was an overreaction but whatever.

Counsell was asked about PCA's emotional reactions this week and he said he doesn't care unless it creeps into his play, CC said it's a release valve for players to vent frustration, which is true.  I don't have any issue with him yelling at himself.  Tossing your helmet on occasion isn't a big deal, but slamming the helmet or bat on every out is childish and unprofessional, and a bad example as a role model for kids.  I have no idea how he's risen through every level since Little League and no coach/ump has had him stop, nor even his parents.

The difference between PCA and Harper though is that PCA directs his anger at himself, while Harper would yell at umps and players and throw his equipment at them on occasion.

[I owned a Suzuki]

10 hours ago, Thusly Boned said:

People talk crap, but I think most here are able to separate their revulsion for Shaw's person with his performance and player potential (see opinion on Shaw v. Busch).

Outside of his brief hot streak his numbers were an affront to humanity and including his hot streak, they're still putrid. And the eye test is even less reassuring. That said, outside of the two Japanese 3B likely to be posted and Bregman, there's not a lot else out there.

In his rookie year he was about middle of the league in 3rd base production. I think people who want someone else are going to be disappointed. I think he is already penciled in at 3rd for next season. 

[Thusly Boned]

5 hours ago, I owned a Suzuki said:

In his rookie year he was about middle of the league in 3rd base production. I think people who want someone else are going to be disappointed. I think he is already penciled in at 3rd for next season. 

Oh, I think he is, too.

But if an opportunity presented itself to go in another most established direction, I would pull the trigger in it without much hesitation. With Tucker likely gone, I think the margin for error on the offensive side is gonna be pretty thin next year.

But I do think that the plan right now is probably to stick with him.
 

[Dfan25]

The more I think about the Imanaga decision   , I lean more towards not picking the options up . Not eager to commit into 3 years .

If he wants to pick his 1 year 15 option , that’s fine . If he doesn’t pick it up , offer the QO . if he accepts 1 / 22 it’s ok as well . If not get the pick for him leaving .

 

Summary : I am fine with Shota on a 1 year / 15 to 22 mil . Not interested in a 3 year deal right now . I know I am probably in the minority in here about this , but yeah that’s just how I feel 

[Dfan25]

On 10/12/2025 at 12:05 AM, I owned a Suzuki said:

Why not? 

Edit, I think they would be just as likely to resign him as the Cubs would if they traded for him

In theory they could . Tigers just don’t have a lot of money on the books going forward . With that said he is a Boras guy and I really doubt they will get into a bidding war with the big boys ( don’t need to mention them )

Thats why I said , it wouldn’t surprise me if the Tigers get a good enough offer to trade him .   

[sneakypower]

Happ set a new record, kind of
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