Week 4: Bears vs Raiders Sunday at 3:25 on CBS

[gflore34]

10 minutes ago, Soul said:

I love ChatGPT for what it can do in terms of crunching a ton of info and putting it all together.  RE: Caleb Williams being hated on sports talk radio.  Here's what people were saying about Josh Allen after he was drafted:

Absolutely—here’s a solid cross-section of what “sports talk” voices were saying about Josh Allen during his 2018 rookie year (and right around his selection), with direct quotes and dates.

• Colin Cowherd (FOX Sports Radio, Aug 31, 2018):
  “He’s got the tools, but he can’t put it together against an elite defense when the game speeds up.” FOX Sports Radio

• Rodger Sherman (The Ringer, Apr 27, 2018 — day after Round 1):
  “I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round.” He added, “There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly.” The Ringer

• Riley McAtee (The Ringer, Apr 26, 2018 — draft night):
  “The Bills Paid a Premium to Take a Massive Risk on Josh Allen… the draft’s most volatile passing prospect.” The Ringer

• Kevin Clark (The Ringer, May 1, 2018):
  “Buffalo’s decision to trade up for the unproven Josh Allen sent the league in the other direction.” (contrasting Allen with Mayfield as an “analytics” pick) The Ringer

• Danny Heifetz (The Ringer, Dec 10, 2018):
  On Buffalo’s offense with rookie Allen: “The offense flirted with finishing as the worst unit adjusted for era in NFL history… [with] 8 passing touchdowns and 20 interceptions” to that point. The Ringer

• Local Buffalo sports-radio snapshot (WGR 550 context), Jun 6, 2018:
  A WGR producer, Ryan Gates, followed through on a public vow to quit if the Bills drafted Allen, underscoring how polarized local talk was at the time: “A Buffalo radio producer said he’d quit if the Bills picked Josh Allen. So he did.” SB Nation

 

Dude actually quit his job because the Bills picked Allen.  That's got to be the king of all fails.

Cowherd has said many of the same things about Caleb almost verbatim.  Although his main line of attack has been Caleb wants to play every down off schedule backyard ball style.  There is some truth to this, I think what we're beginning to see is Ben Johnson is helping Caleb to break this habit.

Edited September 25, 2025 by gflore34

[SpongeWorthy]

32 minutes ago, cwood218 said:

Yes, yes they are.

You definitely didn't think this part through. My scenario looks at the next ten picks in general as "these are considered the top of the draft talents" what would have happened if they had just choose differently.

In your redraft scenario we now have 7 seasons of results. There is no guess work or projection.

First, we know that Barkley has an outstanding first year, Followed by good second year. However, years 3 and 4 he misses a lot of games and the production he has is trash. Year 5 is back to good but now he is costing more since it's his option year. Year 6 eats even more of the salary cap and he is below average. That's all the Giants got out of the pick.

Second, and more important, we have the entire draft to look through since it is a redraft. Also, we can be a lot more loose with positional value and upside because we know who hits and who busts. 

#2 Is obviously Allen or Lamar whichever one Cleveland passes on.

In some order all of the following would have been more productive first round picks from pick #3 on.

Denzel Ward - Derwin James - Minkah Fitzpatrick

Frank Ragnow - Quenton Nelson 

Fred Warner - Vita Vea - Mark Andrews - NIck Chubb

That's just a quick look through, defiantly not an exhaustive list.

most of these guys aren't edge rushers, QBs, corners, or OTs like you said are more valuable than RBs. almost all of them have higher cap hits than barkley does. some of them have injury histories that are worse than barkley (chubb, derwin james) and none of them have been as important to a super bowl winning team as barkley was last year (vea comes closest). 

whether a highly paid running back is still with the team that drafted him is a distinction without a difference. good offenses put resources into running backs. 

edit: also in a redraft scenario, the only thing that someone would care about is what production they are able to put on the field for the very next season and for how long they can maintain a similar level of production. how their career actually played out has nothing to do with anything. 

Edited September 25, 2025 by SpongeWorthy

[Hot Sauce]

8 hours ago, cwood218 said:

Sample size is irrelevant because the question is not if or how good Jeanty is or will be. It's about proper use of limited resources. 

Imagine you have a limited repair budget and your house needs a new roof, new pluming, new electrical and massive foundation repair.

Going full Trump and buying a solid gold refrigerator isn't a wise decision.

Now, imagine you have a limited repair budget and instead of allocating a larger portion of that budget to a single issue, you choose to distribute it across multiple repairs, opting for cheaper, less reliable materials that will need replacement sooner. In doing so, you’re neglecting the fact that investing in high quality materials allows for more durable, long lasting repairs over time. Hence my point that you don’t build a competitive team in one draft/off-season. Your reasoning is flawed, as it ultimately results in higher costs and more frequent repairs over time. If you’ve ever remodeled a house, you know that it’s a long- term project if you want to do it right.

[UMFan83]

3 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Cowherd has said many of the same things about Caleb almost verbatim.  Although his main line of attack has been Caleb wants to play every down off schedule backyard ball style.  There is some truth to this, I think what we're beginning to see is Ben Johnson is helping Caleb to break this habit.

The key is to not take anything they say seriously because they don’t take what they say seriously. They’re just hot take merchants 

[minnesotacubsfan]

Tillman nominated to HOF?

 

numbers wise not sure he’d get in, Peanut Punch and big game CB, he absolutely should

 

What other CB would you take against Moss and Megatron? 

[Irrelevant Dude]

I didn't realize until today that Roschon Johnson is no longer on the injured list and has been active the last week or two.  How is it possible that a healthy Roschon Johnson is a worse option than Kyle Monangai at RB?  Johnson may very well still be bad, but he and his big rubber helmet can't be as bad as a slow, undersized 7th round pick.

[Brian707]

Wright didn't practice again. 

Jarett,Gordon, Edwards also.

 

[Brian707]

[bukie]

ESPN analytics has posted their receiver ratings through 3 weeks, and the Bears WRs are...really good?

https://espnanalytics.com/receivers

[Hot Sauce]

18 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Am I missing something here? Why?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

53 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

Am I missing something here? Why?

Bears fans using the opportunity to travel to Vegas. I would guess this is often the case for raiders home games.

[cwood218]

20 hours ago, Brian707 said:

NDOC & CDCR ( Nevada Department of Corrections & California Department of Corrections ) put a pause on the inmate weekend furlough program. This action has led to a majority of Raider fans being unable to attend. Which of course leaves a bunch of seats up for grab.

[Brian707]

3 hours ago, Hot Sauce said:

Am I missing something here? Why?

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[Hot Sauce]

2 hours ago, Brian707 said:

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For a moment you had me thinking cwood218 had organized a throng of anti-Jeantites.

[Old Style]

2 hours ago, Hot Sauce said:

For a moment you had me thinking cwood218 had organized a throng of anti-Jeantites.

He’s a rabid anti-Jeantite. 

[Geographyhater8888]

On 9/26/2025 at 12:02 AM, Irrelevant Dude said:

I didn't realize until today that Roschon Johnson is no longer on the injured list and has been active the last week or two.  How is it possible that a healthy Roschon Johnson is a worse option than Kyle Monangai at RB?  Johnson may very well still be bad, but he and his big rubber helmet can't be as bad as a slow, undersized 7th round pick.

This is the least dynamic backfield in NFL history. It’s bad when DJ Moore is ahead of Roshon on the depth chart. Another useless mid round pick from Poles.

[Soul]

23 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

This is the least dynamic backfield in NFL history. It’s bad when DJ Moore is ahead of Roshon on the depth chart. Another useless mid round pick from Poles.

BJ must’ve taken one look at Roschon and thought yeah…no.

[Geographyhater8888]

47 minutes ago, Soul said:

BJ must’ve taken one look at Roschon and thought yeah…no.

And Ryan Poles said that’s my guy. He’s also the only round 3-4 picks from the 2022-23 drafts still on the roster. He’ll get some carries today if Swift is out. 

Edited September 28, 2025 by Geographyhater8888

[BigSlick]

Vikings are going to have some problems no matter how good the rest of the roster is and how good the coaching is, if they can't find a decent QB to run the whole thing

[BigSlick]

Ok it was definitely a fools errand to expect the Browns to dominate the Packers and Lions in successive weeks. We need to just count our blessings that they embarrassed the Packers. 

[Tryptamine]

18 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Ok it was definitely a fools errand to expect the Browns to dominate the Packers and Lions in successive weeks. We need to just count our blessings that they embarrassed the Packers. 

I'm convinced that if Cleveland had even a top 15 offense, they'd be a playoff team, but holy hell does that offense suck. 

[SpongeWorthy]

gordon is inactive 

dude is pretty worthless 

[Thurman Merman]

Not a surprise with the bye week next. I bet we see him after that.

[Tryptamine]

Nice catch Swift

[BigSlick]

Ok I’ll take that