Non-Soto FA thread

[Post Count Padder]

That's too much to surrender in both deals, especially if we're taking Garver's contract (though Thaiss and Murray have no value), and also I don't think Woo's family is Japanese? 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Post Count Padder

[Stratos]

19 minutes ago, Post Count Padder said:

That's too much to surrender in both deals, especially if we're taking Garver's contract (though Thaiss and Murray have no value), and also I don't think Woo's family is Japanese? 

He's Ronnie Woo-Woo's nephew.

[JBears79]

Bieber back to the Guardians

[Backtobanks]

1 hour ago, Post Count Padder said:

That's too much to surrender in both deals, especially if we're taking Garver's contract (though Thaiss and Murray have no value), and also I don't think Woo's family is Japanese? 

Taking Garver's contract is hopefully the incentive to trade Woo, otherwise we would need to add another decent prospect to get to Woo's trade value.  The other deal is somewhat an overpay, but that's what good teams need to do to get the players they want.  From what I've seen, Woo is Korean but has never discussed his ethnicity.  Making these two trades would definitely put them at or over 90 wins.

[Rcal10]

10 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

Taking Garver's contract is hopefully the incentive to trade Woo, otherwise we would need to add another decent prospect to get to Woo's trade value.  The other deal is somewhat an overpay, but that's what good teams need to do to get the players they want.  From what I've seen, Woo is Korean but has never discussed his ethnicity.  Making these two trades would definitely put them at or over 90 wins.

I would be fine with acquiring all the guys he suggested in deals. But I think he gave up too much. If the Cubs are taking Garver’s  contract they shouldn’t have to give up Wicks and Wesneski with Hoerner. Maybe one of them and Murray with Hoerner. As for Lowe I don’t think you have to give up Alcantara and Triantos. Maybe one of them and a lowered level guy(Long) plus Palencia. Hard to tell with Tampa. They don’t always value prospect the same as other organizations. But adding Woo in the rotation, Fairbanks as the closer, Lowe to take over for Nico and Garver to catch would make for a solid off season. And they would still have a fairly loaded minor league system. If they were able to accomplish this I would hope they would hold onto Bellinger. That would be a high 80’s to low 90’s win team IMO. Maybe they would need to sign a FA bench bat. That would be about it. 

[KCCub]

 

[Bertz]

11 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

Man so if Hoffman's planning to transition as well the late inning relief market is basically just Tanner Scott and all the old guys

[We Got The Whole 9]

Good job jumping the market for Boyd lol

[Backtobanks]

13 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

I would be fine with acquiring all the guys he suggested in deals. But I think he gave up too much. If the Cubs are taking Garver’s  contract they shouldn’t have to give up Wicks and Wesneski with Hoerner. Maybe one of them and Murray with Hoerner. As for Lowe I don’t think you have to give up Alcantara and Triantos. Maybe one of them and a lowered level guy(Long) plus Palencia. Hard to tell with Tampa. They don’t always value prospect the same as other organizations. But adding Woo in the rotation, Fairbanks as the closer, Lowe to take over for Nico and Garver to catch would make for a solid off season. And they would still have a fairly loaded minor league system. If they were able to accomplish this I would hope they would hold onto Bellinger. That would be a high 80’s to low 90’s win team IMO. Maybe they would need to sign a FA bench bat. That would be about it. 

As I posted above, you aren't getting Woo for Hoerner, Murray, and one of Wesneski/Wicks.  That's why I included Garver and Thaiss.  The other deal is an overpay, but Triantos, Alcantara, and Palencia are all prospects who may or may not be successful in the ML, while we are getting two solid ML players.  Good teams sometimes overpay to get what they want.

[Rcal10]

14 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

As I posted above, you aren't getting Woo for Hoerner, Murray, and one of Wesneski/Wicks.  That's why I included Garver and Thaiss.  The other deal is an overpay, but Triantos, Alcantara, and Palencia are all prospects who may or may not be successful in the ML, while we are getting two solid ML players.  Good teams sometimes overpay to get what they want.

Got it. Not sure I would do Alcantara and Triantos, but I get your point. I guess if they had to do both, I would. But I would try Long instead of one of them. Hopefully he has some helium due to a having a great minor league season and continuing to hit in the fall league.
And it looks like I read the Hoerner deal you suggested wrong. Because I agree what you say here. Don’t really think it matters if Thaiss is added or not(that can be said for both teams😀) on that deal. My guess is he wouldn’t be someone that sealed a deal. Obviously this will never happen, but I like your idea.

Edited December 7, 2024 by Rcal10

[KCCub]

 

[Jason Ross]

7 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

Not a terrible deal for either side. $26m AAV feels good but not exorbitant. Consistent 3-4 win guy.

[JBears79]

seems pretty fair for San Fran

[Stratos]

Exact same deal as Dansby.

[WhyCantWeWin]

Good news for us i guess, maybe yankees get hot and wet for Bellinger if they whiff on Soto

[Tryptamine]

Unless they're going pure DH, Santander is the last bat of note who can kind of fake it in RF.

[Post Count Padder]

Orioles replace Santander with Tyler O'Neill, 3 year contract. Similar to Santander but a better fielder. Nice fit there.

The market is moving quickly with the Winter Meetings starting.

[Bertz]

I increasingly want to replace Cody with JDM.  Statcast doesn't think his offense took as big of a step back as his surface numbers appeared.  Sign JDM, move Seiya back out to the field, and if you're wrong about Martinez swap in one of the Iowa kids.

But yeah if the plan is an actual RFer kinda gotta get moving ASAP.

[Jason Ross]

The Cubs feel like they are getting to a point where they need to pick a path. On one hand, the Bellinger sweeps has to be looking better - Adames and O'Neil off the board opens options. But it's probably time for them to kick off their path. 

It's nice to have options but there cones a point where you can't wait much longer and feels like with options dwindling at catcher, at OF and at SP, that they can't wait much longer. Go be the aggressor a bit 

[Bertz]

25 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

The Cubs feel like they are getting to a point where they need to pick a path. On one hand, the Bellinger sweeps has to be looking better - Adames and O'Neil off the board opens options. But it's probably time for them to kick off their path. 

It's nice to have options but there cones a point where you can't wait much longer and feels like with options dwindling at catcher, at OF and at SP, that they can't wait much longer. Go be the aggressor a bit 

If we don't have multiple moves by this time next week*, I will suspect the plan is January bargain shopping again.  Which, honestly, probably not the worst idea on paper.  But man it makes these winters a slog.

*Assuming Soto signs in the next 48-72 hours

[CubinNY]

1 minute ago, Bertz said:

If we don't have multiple moves by this time next week*, I will suspect the plan is January bargain shopping again.  Which, honestly, probably not the worst idea on paper.  But man it makes these winters a slog.

*Assuming Soto signs in the next 48-72 hours

It’s an awful idea. 

[Jason Ross]

32 minutes ago, Bertz said:

If we don't have multiple moves by this time next week*, I will suspect the plan is January bargain shopping again.  Which, honestly, probably not the worst idea on paper.  But man it makes these winters a slog.

*Assuming Soto signs in the next 48-72 hours

I'll be pretty upset if they go bargain bin hunting. At some point you have to try to add actual impact players. And the conditions are perfect right now to make a trade of impact or sign a FA of impact. 

You have tons of prospects. Probably too many at the same level. You have lots of the roster locked in, what youre missing is fairly specific. And you have a VP who's on the hot seat in that he has no contract for 2026. Hell, there is a generational type FA on the market - guys like Soto, at his age are exceedingly rare (and I dont want this to be a another "we didnt try for Soto rant", Im using this for a bit of emphasis, some oomf if you will). If *now* isn't the time you don't bargain bin hunt, then I don't know when you don't. And at some point the Cubs need to be something more than trying to be a more expensive version of Milwaukee. 

Feels like this is a good barometer to see what an aggressive Hoyer looks like. And I'd fear that if this is as aggressive he gets that this team will ever get to the heights it should. 

Im letting Jed cook for the time being. The Crochet thing was pretty creative. So I think they'll really shoot for some impact. Im just saying if they go the "wait till mid-Jan" route...I'd be concerned. 

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, Bertz said:

If we don't have multiple moves by this time next week*, I will suspect the plan is January bargain shopping again.  Which, honestly, probably not the worst idea on paper.  But man it makes these winters a slog.

*Assuming Soto signs in the next 48-72 hours

That's how you end up with 83 wins in back to back years

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Unless they're going pure DH, Santander is the last bat of note who can kind of fake it in RF.

Seiya Suzuki.

[Tryptamine]

Just now, Stratos said:

Seiya Suzuki.

Yes, which is why I typed "unless they're going pure DH".