Non-Soto FA thread

[Tryptamine]

12 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Fans definitely are not comfortable doing anything beyond just averaging yearly MLB innings when thinking about injury risk.  Saw it with Glasnow discussions last year, Boyd this year.  If you have the audacity to have a mid year arm surgery that impacts two different seasons you get shat on way more than cleanly missing a single calendar year.

It's been 5 seasons for Boyd, let's not pretend like he's being mislabeled injury prone because of one injury. 

[Bertz]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

It's been 5 seasons for Boyd, let's not pretend like he's being mislabeled injury prone because of one injury. 

Ah, so we're holding him responsible for Covid too?

[Tryptamine]

8 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Ah, so we're holding him responsible for Covid too?

Nope, hold me responsible for a typo. 2021-2024

[Bertz]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

Nope, hold me responsible for a typo. 2021-2024

It's two injuries to the same part of his body, and that elbow has now totally been replaced.  Acting like he's Jacob deGrom with a medical chart a mile long is exactly what I was referring to.

[Derwood]

4 hours ago, CubinNY said:

You don't even know who he is.

Huh? I wasn't referring to Crochet when talking about "30 year old pitcher".

[CubinNY]

41 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Huh? I wasn't referring to Crochet when talking about "30 year old pitcher".

riiiiiight.

[thawv]

7 hours ago, LBiittner said:

Can we believe Jon Morosi?

Cubs are in on a Garrett Crochet?

Let's play Goldilocks: how much is too much to give? And how much is jussst right?

Trivia question? When was the last time cubs had 4 leftys in the rotation, if ever?

It's viable, and it's just his idea.  I'd bet that they never even talked, and this is just an idea Morosi had.  This is the kind of stuff that fans take as a thing. 

[Tank]

Crochet and Sasaki would be a dream off-season for me and both fit within the Cubs budget expectations. 

[Stratos]

3 hours ago, Bertz said:

It's two injuries to the same part of his body, and that elbow has now totally been replaced.  Acting like he's Jacob deGrom with a medical chart a mile long is exactly what I was referring to.

Boyd had TJS on his UCL, a separate surgery on his forearm flexor tendon, and 60 day IL for tricep issue all in the last 4 seasons.  Let's hope he's better now.

[Bertz]

Not enough meat here to be it's own topic, but a few things stood out:

- After signing Boyd, the team is not necessarily going to add another starter.  They are looking to improve, and further improving the rotation is a logical place to do it, but another SP is not written in pen on the shopping list in part because of the quality depth in place

- The team is "aggressively" trying to improve, and with financial realities that probably comes via trade.  Not a lot of sense of what it looks like exactly, as to paraphrase "Who the hell saw the Michael Busch and Isaac Paredes trades coming?"

- The way they talk it feels like Bellinger's almost certainly gone, and it won't necessarily be to the Yankees but it feels pretty likely to be to the Yankees

[squally1313]

3 minutes ago, Bertz said:

- The way they talk it feels like Bellinger's almost certainly gone, and it won't necessarily be to the Yankees but it feels pretty likely to be to the Yankees

I assume this part is contingent on the Soto domino falling somewhere besides the Bronx, but sounds like we'll know that in the next few days anyways. 

[Bertz]

1 minute ago, squally1313 said:

I assume this part is contingent on the Soto domino falling somewhere besides the Bronx, but sounds like we'll know that in the next few days anyways. 

That's what the reporting sounds like.  I feel like he fits their roster either way, but it sounds like he's their backup plan for Soto specifically.  I'd assume because they really want Bregman or Adames at 3B and can't do one of them AND Soto AND Bellinger.

[Jason Ross]

11 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I assume this part is contingent on the Soto domino falling somewhere besides the Bronx, but sounds like we'll know that in the next few days anyways. 

There's a lot of pessimism coming out of New York right now from the media on Soto at least those I follow on X/Blue Sky who are tangential to the team. It's not reporting, but "feelings" more so than anything, but the feelings are generally that the Yankees are setting up a "we tried" defense on Soto. 

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, 1908_Cubs said:

There's a lot of pessimism coming out of New York right now from the media on Soto at least those I follow on X/Blue Sky who are tangential to the team. It's not reporting, but "feelings" more so than anything, but the feelings are generally that the Yankees are setting up a "we tried" defense on Soto. 

Hal is not George. 

[Bertz]

 

We knew the A's were going to need to pay a premium to get people to Sacramento but wowza

[LBiittner]

This is completely out of thin air. Who da thunk it? 

Severino chasing the Sacramento gold rush. I wonder if A's will do more prospecting? 

[Jason Ross]

26 minutes ago, Bertz said:

 

We knew the A's were going to need to pay a premium to get people to Sacramento but wowza

Man, that's wild. And entirely out of LF. 

[Cuzi]

Hard pill to swallow knowing that the team was focused 110% on TOR pitching and signing Boyd has satisfied the palette in a way.

What exactly are we trying to improve here?

Edited December 5, 2024 by Cuzi

[squally1313]

7 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Hard pill to swallow knowing that the team was focused 110% on TOR pitching and signing Boyd has satisfied the palette in a way.

What exactly are we trying to improve here?

The 116 innings we got from Kyle Hendricks last year, as a start. 147 starter innings from Assad generating 1 fWAR would be the next one. 

Also, who is saying it satisfied any palette?

[Cuzi]

 

2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Also, who is saying it satisfied any palette?

2 hours ago, Bertz said:

After signing Boyd, the team is not necessarily going to add another starter.  They are looking to improve, and further improving the rotation is a logical place to do it, but another SP is not written in pen on the shopping list in part because of the quality depth in place

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, Cuzi said:

 

(gigantic shrug) It's a podcast. Were these guys discussing the Matt Boyd deal before it landed? Anyone have the Busch or Paredes trades in advance last year? They're filling space. 

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

(gigantic shrug) It's a podcast. Were these guys discussing the Matt Boyd deal before it landed? Anyone have the Busch or Paredes trades in advance last year? They're filling space. 

Did any report on those specific names? No. Was it reported the Cubs were looking for ways to improve those positions? Yes.

[Jason Ross]

The way the podcast made it seem was more along the lines that the Cubs are very open to improving any way they can. It wasn't so much as "the Cubs signed Boyd, so they're cool in the rotation" but framed much more in the sense of "The Cubs know they have to be better and while SP is a way they can improve, they're open to all avenues" 

[Bertz]

I was definitely disappointed in that comment as well.  That said unless/until Bellinger's gone the two weakest full time positions on the roster are Amaya at catcher and Assad at 5th starter.  Given the lack of high end talent seemingly available at catcher, if you are aggressively chasing improvement it almost logically has to be in the rotation.

[KCCub]