5/30/24 - Cubs (Taillon) at Brewers (Rea) 12:10P on Marquee

[Tryptamine]

9 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Cubs are now 206-233 since Jed's "retool not a rebuild" began.  We're in the 4th year of that retool.

In the 4th year of "we're going to lose on purpose and not apologize for it" gut rebuild, Theo's Cubs won 97 games and made the NLCS.

Because he didn't have the guts to choose a direction, they now find themselves stuck in mediocrity with not a lot of realistic ways to move move forward. 

[The_Achiever]

I'm sad, the Cubs are bad.

[mul21]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

Cubs are now 206-233 since Jed's "retool not a rebuild" began.  We're in the 4th year of that retool.

In the 4th year of "we're going to lose on purpose and not apologize for it" gut rebuild, Theo's Cubs won 97 games and made the NLCS.

And had an unsustainable plan based around high draft picks.  I'm not absolving Jed here, but this feels more sustainable, not to mention the rules have completely changed to prevent teams from doing what Theo did.  There's also some bad luck involved here, between injuries and nearly every hitter on the team having a career worst slump all at the same time.  None of this makes me hate watching this any less unfortunately.

[Nomar1679622287]

1 minute ago, mul21 said:

And had an unsustainable plan based around high draft picks.  I'm not absolving Jed here, but this feels more sustainable, not to mention the rules have completely changed to prevent teams from doing what Theo did.  There's also some bad luck involved here, between injuries and nearly every hitter on the team having a career worst slump all at the same time.  None of this makes me hate watching this any less unfortunately.

Fire someone. The hitting coach has to go at a minimum. 

[Dfan25]

16 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I know the consensus is that Jed is safe and is playing the exact role that the Ricketts family wants, but there are really no excuses for him.  This is absolutely the type of season that gets a GM fired if it continues on its current trajectory.

Jed isn’t going anywhere . I bet Ricketts is already preparing his next extension . 

[s2obed]

11 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

A week or two from being sellers and not a lot of pieces on short deals worth moving. Good times. 

We haven’t even hit June yet, I think you’re wrong here.

[s2obed]

11 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

A week or two from being sellers and not a lot of pieces on short deals worth moving. Good times. 

We haven’t even hit June yet, I think you’re wrong here.

[s2obed]

11 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

A week or two from being sellers and not a lot of pieces on short deals worth moving. Good times. 

We haven’t even hit June yet, I think you’re wrong here.

[Dfan25]

Just now, Nomar1679622287 said:

Fire someone. The hitting coach has to go at a minimum. 

If they are going to fire coaches because of things they don’t do well , they will need to clean house . They don’t run the bases well , they don’t play defense . Really the only area that this team is good is SP . 

[NorthsideAvenger]

There has got to be something better to do then watch the Cubs continue to collect L's.

[chibears55]

7 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

jed was sad he couldn't sell last season, this season he might get his wish

Not much to sell, Bellinger and Happ 

 

[Dfan25]

Counsel isn’t looking so smart with this roster .  

[17 Seconds]

am I being dramatic or is this team horsefeathered going forward? too many expensive guys are completely tanking. I'm not seeing a path forward for even next year

[Tryptamine]

8 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

am I being dramatic or is this team horsefeathered going forward? too many expensive guys are completely tanking. I'm not seeing a path forward for even next year

Yeah, it looks bad. They wont have the payroll flexibility to add tier 1 guys and thus far the prospects have been pretty damn mediocre. 

[Cuzi]

1 minute ago, chibears55 said:

Not much to sell, Bellinger and Happ 

 

We gave Happ a NTC. Hes not going anywhere.

 

It's time for Jed to stop hoarding all these prospects and make the MLB team better. Alcantara needs to be on the block. The kid is going to run out of options before a spot on the MLB roster is even available.

[Dfan25]

Just now, Tryptamine said:

Yeah, it looks bad. They wont have the payroll flexibility to add tier 1 guys and thus far the prospects have been pretty damn mediocre. 

Even if they did have the flexibility , they won’t do it . It’s againts Jeds beliefs to add premium talent . They will look for the next Swanson instead .

[17 Seconds]

Just now, Tryptamine said:

Yeah, it looks bad. They wont have the payroll flexibility to add tier 1 guys and thus far the prospects have been pretty damn mediocre. 

oh yeah, I forgot that the top farm guys are stinking it up too

can a bad 2 months sink an organization? the cubs are putting that to the test

It feels a lot like it did around 2020-2021

[gflore34]

At the moment it looks bleak, they're starting show signs of coming out of their collective funk.  I not ready to give up yet, plus, at some point, the Brewers pixie dust (that BS Sanchez HR) is going to dry up and they will come back to the pack.

[Dfan25]

One other thing . If you don’t belief in spending in relievers , it would be nice if they could develop relievers that strikeout people out with low walk rates . Seems like most organizations are able to do it .

For the Cubs it’s a mistery for the most part .  Brown looks legit .  Most of the guys that have are like Palencia / Little in terms of having no idea where the ball is going . 

[mul21]

The offense isn't this bad.  The offense being terrible and giving the pen no margin for error is making them look worse than they are.  The starting pitching probably is overachieving but is still very good.  The offense will come around and all of a sudden they won't look like the White Sox and they'll stack up some Ws.  It better happen soon though because this is depressing to watch.

[CubinNY]

They are going through a bad spell. They are what their record shows them to be, but that doesn't mean they cannot play better. 

Going into the season they needed slugging, and they still need slugging. They need to sort the pen out, which should be a little easier once all the starters return. They have a lot of depth in the minors, they should be able to use it to improve the team. 

They are locked in on offense unless they DFA some guys and make others part time players who are now full time. That could be tough. 

I expect them to be a playoff contender. 

[sneakypower]

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that BS Sanchez HR

i mean he's got a top-10 ISO for the past calendar year, the Brewers seemingly just don't believe so devotedly in the mythical woo-woo of catcher defense intangibles above all else which i'm pretty jealous of ngl

[UMFan83]

Am I reading this pessimistically?  Probably...but this is what Carter Hawkins said the other day about going after a big bat:

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Carter Hawkins on the Cubs' philosophy of pursuing a star slugger, potentially in a trade: “I would hope that it’s a measured aggression with the idea that we’re going to be winning for a long, long time here and want to stay set up for that. That’s the constant balance.”

On the surface this seems logical, but based on how we've seen Jed and co operate, it sounds like a FO that is going to be hesitant to pull the trigger on any major moves that would sacrifice the prospect capital they've built up.

[17 Seconds]

It's funny to think that the 2023 cubs could very well end up being jed's peak

[UMFan83]

6 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

They are going through a bad spell. They are what their record shows them to be, but that doesn't mean they cannot play better. 

Going into the season they needed slugging, and they still need slugging. They need to sort the pen out, which should be a little easier once all the starters return. They have a lot of depth in the minors, they should be able to use it to improve the team. 

They are locked in on offense unless they DFA some guys and make others part time players who are now full time. That could be tough. 

I expect them to be a playoff contender. 

What starters are left to return?  Just Wicks right?  Our pen is still pretty bad.  It will help to get him back but I don't think in house options alone will make the bullpen decent.