Laissez les Bears temps rouler (saints game)

[WrigleyField 22]

17 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

So four hours or so and we haven’t heard anything about an extension for Sweat?  If there isn’t one, this is a truly awful move. 

As a recent benchmark:

 

Chubb was traded From Denver to Miami last year on Nov 1 and the extension was reported Nov 3.  So I would think within next day there's a good shot of a deal announced.  If not within a week, definitely legit to start getting concerned.

[Soul]

What the holy hell is going on at Halas hall....

Now it's beyond incompetence.

 

By the way, Raiders just moved on from both McDaniels and their GM, mid-season.  They have a better record than the Bears.

[Outshined_One]

More info:

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The Bears' HR department also was involved in the decision that led to Williams' resignation, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter, but that instance is not related to Walker's firing.

Flush is the one who brought these guys onto the team in the first place. This is a really awful look for him, because either he is a dimwit who's knowingly bringing aggro jackoffs onto this team, or he is a horrifically bad judge of character.

ETA: For once, I stand by autocorrect on something. 

[WrigleyField 22]

13 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

More info:

Flush is the one who brought these guys onto the team in the first place. This is a really awful look for him, because either he is a dimwit who's knowingly bringing aggro jackoffs onto this team, or he is a horrifically bad judge of character.

ETA: For once, I stand by autocorrect on something. 

Flush the Flus

[We Got The Whole 9]

Technically they could have Sweat for 2.5 seasons. They have plenty of cap space to tag him twice. That's... something. 

 

Still Poles is a horsefeathers for how he's treated Free Agency/the roster in general. 

[Rex Buckingham]

The worst part of the Sweat deal is that it basically signals that Poles is sticking around. So the guy who signed off on Flus and his staff gets to pick another coach. The guy who ignored WR and EDGE in consecutive offseasons where he had tons of cap space only to trade away extremely valuable picks for players to fill those holes gets to head into FA with tons of cap space and a crap roster again. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

5 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

The worst part of the Sweat deal is that it basically signals that Poles is sticking around. So the guy who signed off on Flus and his staff gets to pick another coach. The guy who ignored WR and EDGE in consecutive offseasons where he had tons of cap space only to trade away extremely valuable picks for players to fill those holes gets to head into FA with tons of cap space and a crap roster again. 

Of course he's gonna be around. Georgie zeroed in on him and met him at the airport and dapped him up and all that less than 2 years ago. Pace was given 6 years and 3 of those were after the Trubisky debacle.

[WrigleyField 22]

Sheesh, forget any hedging I did the past 24 hours  lol

 

[Rex Buckingham]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Of course he's gonna be around. Georgie zeroed in on him and met him at the airport and dapped him up and all that less than 2 years ago. Pace was given 6 years and 3 of those were after the Trubisky debacle.

Oh I know, it's just that this pretty much removes any doubt. But I wish there were consequences for putting together such an awful roster 2 years in a row. Both lines have been awful for 2 years (though Wright looks really good). Secondary depth is non-existent despite the fact that he's picked 6 DBs in the last 2 drafts.  We have 1 good WR, 1 solid #2, and then a whole lot of nothing despite a 3rd and 4th rd pick being used on WRs. 

The only things I can point to as clear successes for Poles: 

The trade return for #1. Imagine DJ Moore with a good QB. That Panthers pick this year will be good too.

Darnell Wright looks good.

[Tryptamine]

13 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Sheesh, forget any hedging I did the past 24 hours  lol

 

Looks like a franchise tag in the making now.

[Wilson A2000]

 

 

[UMFan83]

this is probably from the same reporting as the tidbit posted above but it didn’t include anything about the falcons having an extension worked out with Sweat and wanting to go there. Will definitely be a franchise tag which is bizarre because Jaylon Johnson also is refusing to negotiate with the Bears anymore and will become a FA meaning the Bears will have to decide to franchise one of them and let the other walk for nothing. 
 

I don’t think Poles is very good at this…

Edited November 1, 2023 by UMFan83

[We Got The Whole 9]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

 

So perhaps he's disgruntled and will hold out when we tag him lol

[UMFan83]

I used to try to justify some of the odd moves Poles did by saying 'maybe he knows what he's doing and we don't, but its hard to defend trading yet another high second round pick for a 2 month rental when your team is 2-6 and then hoping you can convince him to resign after the fact.  This comes after trading a high 2nd for Claypool.  Both positions of desperate need heading into their respective seasons that werent addressed in the previous offseason and had a hand in torpedoing the season to that point.  Now it sounds like the reporting is that we lowballed Jaylon Johnson so badly that he won't negotiate with us anymore?  What are we doing here?

[Old Style]

Never thought I’d be jealous of the Raiders but here we are.

[We Got The Whole 9]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

I used to try to justify some of the odd moves Poles did by saying 'maybe he knows what he's doing and we don't, but its hard to defend trading yet another high second round pick for a 2 month rental when your team is 2-6 and then hoping you can convince him to resign after the fact.  This comes after trading a high 2nd for Claypool.  Both positions of desperate need heading into their respective seasons that werent addressed in the previous offseason and had a hand in torpedoing the season to that point.  Now it sounds like the reporting is that we lowballed Jaylon Johnson so badly that he won't negotiate with us anymore?  What are we doing here?

Presumably because of lack of turnovers, Spotrac had Johnson as a ~10m guy just last month IIRC. He probably wants top CB money, which he arguably hasn't earned. Curious to see the numbers bandied about. 

[Derwood]

11 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Because you likely don't even know who he is

 

I know who he is.

I also know who Poles is (the GM who traded a 2nd rounder for Chase horsefeathers Claypool)

[We Got The Whole 9]

16 minutes ago, Derwood said:

 

I know who he is.

I also know who Poles is (the GM who traded a 2nd rounder for Chase horsefeathers Claypool)

Yes there's a galaxy of difference in the 2 players resumes though

[jersey cubs fan]

2 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

The worst part of the Sweat deal is that it basically signals that Poles is sticking around. So the guy who signed off on Flus and his staff gets to pick another coach. The guy who ignored WR and EDGE in consecutive offseasons where he had tons of cap space only to trade away extremely valuable picks for players to fill those holes gets to head into FA with tons of cap space and a crap roster again. 

I don’t see why it signals that. 

[Brian707]

4 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

 

 

What's the pre employment screening process like for Poles/Flus?

If I had to guess the hiring process is probably similar to driving for Uber

[tfarks]

This Jeremy Fowler stuff seems pretty overblown to me. 

As an aside to start off, I've never thought for a minute Poles wouldn't at least get his 3rd year to fulfill his vision for a rebuild. That plan has been sold and stamped. So I've never put any stock into Warren actually blowing up everything below him and finally aligning GM-HC-QB. It's just not the Bears way. Or Poles being handcuffed and not able to make deals moving future capital while his job hangs in jeopardy. This trade didn't move the needle for me in any way regarding Poles' future here (for now). This is just my take and how it pertains to how I perceive this move. 

Regarding this move being a rental, it's incredibly hard for me to believe they're not aggressively negotiating an in-season extension for Sweat now (and have been), 'the groundwork' has just been laid out with the Rashan Gary deal. Brad Biggs has shared this same sentiment and he's actually connected. Poles has the leverage with 2 years of franchise tags, it makes sense for everyone to get a big deal done now. Seems like a much better idea to wait and see what it looks like then to assume its not there. 

I would hope the extension timeline would follow the Bradley Chubb one pretty closely to help wrap this up while acknowledging the Roquan extension not being finalized until January. There's a large window here potentially and the longer it lingers, with Poles having earned zero benefit of the doubt so far, anxiety will understandably increase, especially with the Jaylon debacle orbiting. However, this time feels appropriate to pop a Bears Xanax instead of ruminating about ESPN hot takes and Falcon's beat writers declaring Sweat's disappointment for him. 

Fowler and Dan Graziano muddying up this deal with clickbait speculation: Contract numbers for Jaylon "was considered pretty low" - oh yeah by whom and what were the terms? Extension plans for Sweat: "will at least make an effort to re-sign" - wtf is that and what does Graziano know?

In my estimation, there are multiple factors overshadowing what I believe to be a good value move that significantly helps this team now and in the future. It's really just a blend containing a lack of organizational confidence. Completely fair questions for how it fits the rebuild. A multitude of question marks lingering for how this all fits together and in what timeline. Jaylon aggressively pursuing an over-market deal, which wasn't capitulated by a trade partner that we know of either. His feelings are hurt and he's shut down negotiations. The stench of Chase Claypool - the acceptance of the sunk cost but the feeling you can't completely shake for how bad it turned out. And finally, the horsefeathers being stirred up by these media horsefeathers birds. The latter being the most annoying offender. It hasn't even been 24 hours since the trade has been finalized, a modicum of patience would do wonders. But through it all, I'm a big fan of Montez Sweat being a Bear. I'm a simple man who wants the Bears to have a cromulent d-line. 

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

There is no value in this move whatsoever. That’s not hot take stuff, it’s just a fact. The player might stay and produce, but the means of acquisition are a gross misuse of assets, necessitated in Poles’ mind by his own failure to do the job. 

[Tryptamine]

Starting to see a number of  mocks and draft rankings moving Caleb Williams from #1 with Drake Maye and MHJ taking his spot. So much for generational prospect.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Starting to see a number of  mocks and draft rankings moving Caleb Williams from #1 with Drake Maye and MHJ taking his spot. So much for generational prospect.

We are gonna find a way to come out of the draft with neither maye nor Williams and then watch as at least one of them joins stroud and young as better QBs than we cycle through in our perpetual QB hell 

[Tryptamine]

12 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

We are gonna find a way to come out of the draft with neither maye nor Williams and then watch as at least one of them joins stroud and young as better QBs than we cycle through in our perpetual QB hell 

I've already said my ideal draft was taking neither Maye or Williams. Unfortunately that dream kind of died when they traded the 2nd for Sweat. I wanted MHJ and one of Fashanu/Alt then to use the 2nd to trade up back into the 1st to grab one of Penix, McCarthy or even Nix.