2024 NFL Draft

[BigSlick]

Of course, it really seems like the average Chicago Bear fan emphatically wants to stick with Fields - we're outliers here. 

Look at this poll of 25,000 people (now I'm sure a good chunk are out of Chicago, but I'm also sure a ton are from Chicago fans given its the Chicago account): 

 

 

Polls from Chicago football reporters asking similar questions on twitter return very similar results. 

Will that sway Poles? I sure hope the front office doesn't consider this stuff when they're making football decisions, no matter what direction they go in. But it probably factors in somewhat. 

[raw]

4 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I'm getting deja vu.  

I'm totally down with the generic idea of finding a QB somewhere other than the 1.1Øa and taking advantage of that sweet sweet trade-down haul 

But I need something better than "maybe they really really believe in bo nix" or "idk maybe draft one next year" and dear god everyone stop using it as an excuse to squeeze another year out of fields.

Sell me on Kyler Murray or god just go get Kirk cousins or something 

 

 

 

 

This isn't what I want. And honestly, I'd be a little upset about them not having the guts to rip the Fields band-aid off. But my point wasn't about the details (getting 1 more years out of Fields). My point was simply is there a price, a trade package that is so big that Ryan Poles is like, "oh this is worth passing up Caleb Williams for".

[raw]

5 hours ago, UK said:

Would you make a similar trade with Atlanta but instead of Moore, you trade for Bates (FS)?

24:(1) (1)

For

24 (1) (10)

25: (1)

Jeremy Bates (FS)

I mean, the Carolina trade was 

23: 1 (1)

For 

23: 1 (9), 2 (62)

24 1

25 2

DJ Moore

And when you consider a WR has MUCH more value than a FS, QB1 in this draft has more value than Bryce Young, both as prospects, then you'd probably have to start at this and just keep adding on. Atlanta's 2nd would be about 20 picks higher, that's a start. But that pick in 2026 (25 in Panthers example) would have to be a 1st as well, not a 2nd. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 hours ago, raw said:

This isn't what I want. And honestly, I'd be a little upset about them not having the guts to rip the Fields band-aid off. But my point wasn't about the details (getting 1 more years out of Fields). My point was simply is there a price, a trade package that is so big that Ryan Poles is like, "oh this is worth passing up Caleb Williams for".

I agree with not wanting to trade down and still draft a QB, if you are going to replace Fields via the draft you do it with Caleb Williams and hope for the best.

 

However, I disagree about "rip the Fields band aid off". At this point, Fields is a starting NFL QB, and sometimes I wonder if other GMs want Chicago to trade him because the market will be bigger for him (and cheaper) than Williams. Baseline is a 3rd rd pick for those teams and you have Justin Fields in that trade...at worst. the other way is you trade your entire future to the Bears to land Willams and hope for the best.

 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by minnesotacubsfan

[Tryptamine]

If I'm making a deal with Atlanta, Kyle Pitts is coming back. I've never seen talent so wasted in all my life, it's completely baffling. 

[Derwood]

The Bears have played themselves out of a Williams/MHJ draft (no mocks have Harrison dropping past #3)

[Rex Buckingham]

Sam Darnold went for a 2nd round pick, and a 4th... if you trade Fields, I feel like you have to at least get a 2nd. 

There's probably not a trade out there for #1 that makes me feel it's worth it, because you just have to fix QB. The rest of this roster is on the verge of competing (assuming they can fill WR, C, DT and the smaller gaps through FA/picks) if they can get a QB in there to have an above average offense.

I would be tempted, if the Bears own pick lands at 5 or 6, to move down to 15ish and add a 2nd rounder... add a defender like McKinstry, Newton, Latu, Chop Robinson, Jared Verse, etc. and then a WR with the 2nd rounder

[raw]

23 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Sam Darnold went for a 2nd round pick, and a 4th... if you trade Fields, I feel like you have to at least get a 2nd. 

There's probably not a trade out there for #1 that makes me feel it's worth it, because you just have to fix QB. The rest of this roster is on the verge of competing (assuming they can fill WR, C, DT and the smaller gaps through FA/picks) if they can get a QB in there to have an above average offense.

I would be tempted, if the Bears own pick lands at 5 or 6, to move down to 15ish and add a 2nd rounder... add a defender like McKinstry, Newton, Latu, Chop Robinson, Jared Verse, etc. and then a WR with the 2nd rounder

The concern some have though is that if the rookie takes a bit to get it going, then you likely wasted 1 year in the prime of DJ, Sweat, Johnson, etc. And God forbid the rookie is not good. 

Obviously, if the QB pick is good in the long-run that's the goal. But there are downsides to a team ready to compete with a rookie QB, just as there are with adding a QB then building around him like they tried to do with Fields.

[Tryptamine]

@raw As someone who knows far more about the details of the game than me, can you explain to me why JJ McCarthy is surging up projections to the point some have him top 15 and even 10, while Bo Nix is drifting toward being a 2nd round pick? It's not like Bo Nix is a no arm QB, like Carson Beck, who only puts up huge stats because that can work in college.

[raw]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

@raw As someone who knows far more about the details of the game than me, can you explain to me why JJ McCarthy is surging up projections to the point some have him top 15 and even 10, while Bo Nix is drifting toward being a 2nd round pick? It's not like Bo Nix is a no arm QB, like Carson Beck, who only puts up huge stats because that can work in college.

This is what I predicted. Michigan being in the playoff will get McCarthy big time exposure. I think people are giving him a pass for the last month. He had a thumb injury or something and no Harbaugh so they didn't let him throw at all.

So I think these projections assume his health, a wide open gameplan and a good showing against a tough Bama team, maybe even a win and championship encore. 

[Derwood]

Has anyone mentioned that the Bears locked up the #1 pick? Because they locked up the #1 pick

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Has anyone mentioned that the Bears locked up the #1 pick? Because they locked up the #1 pick

It was obvious to pretty much everyone but the fatalists that this was going to happen 2 months ago.

[Tryptamine]

Bo Nix completely dominating Liberty. He's 23/29 312 yards and 5 TD so far. I know his upside is a bit limited, but surrounding him with weapons and an oline and I think he'd be a really solid QB. He's the kind of guy who would thrive in Philadelphia if Philly cashes in their chips on Hurts.

[Derwood]

I'm still on the "Draft MHJ #1 or trade down for QB seekers and still take MHJ" train

[Tim]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

Bo Nix completely dominating Liberty. He's 23/29 312 yards and 5 TD so far. I know his upside is a bit limited, but surrounding him with weapons and an oline and I think he'd be a really solid QB. He's the kind of guy who would thrive in Philadelphia if Philly cashes in their chips on Hurts.

Someone should create a driveline equivalent for qb's

[UK]

If Arizona wanted to give up (4, 17, 36, and 63) for (1,1) which is close in equivalency, I would have a tough time turning that down.

[Rex Buckingham]

2 hours ago, UK said:

If Arizona wanted to give up (4, 17, 36, and 63) for (1,1) which is close in equivalency, I would have a tough time turning that down.

Could take Fashanu or Alt at 4, Nabers/Odunze/whoever with the Bears own pick, then a DL/Edge/(QB?) at 17

Edited January 2, 2024 by Rex Buckingham

[UK]

3 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Could take Fashanu or Alt at 4, Nabers/Odunze/whoever with the Bears own pick, then a DL/Edge/(QB?) at 17

It might be odd but I'd hire Roman as OC (I'd hire Mike MacDonald as HC) draft Daniels at (4), keep Fields for one year to sit Daniels, draft Coleman/Odunze (WR) at 10, Mims at LT at 17, Kitchens S at 37.

[raw]

Weird as it sounds, the Bears really don't have a TON of needs to the point where they can use 3 extra early picks without diminishing returns. If you're keeping Fields, you're probably bringing back Jaylon Johnson and don't need to add CB at all as all currently on the roster would be under contract next year. Same for LB with the top 4 guys under contract. I don't think you can take multiple early round pass catchers as you don't have enough footballs to go around. A top WR and Bowers or something would be awesome, but DJ and Kmet are still going to be the primary targets. It's a pretty weak RB class so you probably aren't drafting one of them early. You can only draft so many OL and DL, plus there's free agency before the draft. 

FWIW, those wanting to draft a LT...Braxton Jones allowed 1 pressure in 40 snaps Sunday. Ryan Poles simply just isn't going to replace him with a top 10 pick. Maybe I'm wrong, but Jones was the only addition to a bad OL, thrown right in at LT. Play decently as a rookie, improve as a 2nd year player and has never been given an inkling of competition for his spot.

[Rex Buckingham]

Yeah, I agree that Poles is unlikely to replace Braxton Jones... I think it would be fine to get multiple WRs in the draft if you got one in the top 10 and then a 2nd rounder. Would Egbuka, Tez Walker, Ladd McConkey, Burton (Bama), Worthy or Mitchell (Tex) be a solid 3rd receiver? I would think you would happily take those guys along with DJ and MHJ/Odunze/Nabers/Coleman... FS should be a position they look to upgrade... Tyler Nubin from Minnesota would seem to be a solid option. And I don't think you could ever have enough good edge rushers, so grabbing one of them late 1st/early 2nd after a trade down would be good too

[Tryptamine]

There is 3 big needs, WR, C, Edge Rusher. WR and Edge can be addressed with the 2 firsts. Since it sure seems like things are trending toward them keeping Fields, I wonder if they do what everyone thinks and just trade down to like #3 so they can take MHJ or if they trade further back for a more significant haul and instead grab Malik Nabers.

Edited January 2, 2024 by Tryptamine

[Brian707]

16 hours ago, UK said:

If Arizona wanted to give up (4, 17, 36, and 63) for (1,1) which is close in equivalency, I would have a tough time turning that down.

I think NE will be the team to trade with at #3. I don't think AZ will go QB.  Bears move down to #3, get #34 from NE and a 2025 first round pick. Maybe a 2025 3rd rounder too.

[raw]

16 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

I think NE will be the team to trade with at #3. I don't think AZ will go QB.  Bears move down to #3, get #34 from NE and a 2025 first round pick. Maybe a 2025 3rd rounder too.

NE doesn't really have that history of trading up. Of course, they haven't been this desperate for a QB since they had #1 and drafted Drew Bledsoe like 25 years ago. And rumors are they won't have Belichick who is the guy that has been in charge for those non-desperate decisions.

[gflore34]

I like to see Poles go Maye and Nabers/Odunze/Coleman with the first round picks then, look at OL with the second rounder he'll get for Fields.

[Outshined_One]

It's kind of fascinating watching the CFP and bowl season play out from the QB2/QB3 perspective in the draft.  Maye and Daniels both *should* be the 2nd and 3rd QBs off the board, but with Penix and JJ taking the spotlight in their games, both have improved their stock and it can be easy to see teams falling in love with either because of their intangibles/leadership/winning when it matters.

I could see 5 QBs taken in the first round at the rate things are going.  That's always fun.