2024 NFL Draft

[Tryptamine]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe the best use of assets, if you want a QB, would be take MHJ at #1 move back to around #10-12 with your 2nd pick and take Jayden Daniels. I still haven't seen enough of him to be super well informed, but the reports are very positive. My only instant concern is that he has WRs that are way too good for their competition. So is he getting carried by his WRs, or is he part of the reason they look so good?

[Brian707]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

I'm starting to wonder if maybe the best use of assets, if you want a QB, would be take MHJ at #1 move back to around #10-12 with your 2nd pick and take Jayden Daniels. I still haven't seen enough of him to be super well informed, but the reports are very positive. My only instant concern is that he has WRs that are way too good for their competition. So is he getting carried by his WRs, or is he part of the reason they look so good?

In this scenario MHJ and DJ are much better receiving than he has now. Although Daniels has never faced defenses even close to what the NFL offers

[raw]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

I'm starting to wonder if maybe the best use of assets, if you want a QB, would be take MHJ at #1 move back to around #10-12 with your 2nd pick and take Jayden Daniels. I still haven't seen enough of him to be super well informed, but the reports are very positive. My only instant concern is that he has WRs that are way too good for their competition. So is he getting carried by his WRs, or is he part of the reason they look so good?

why would the best use of assets be to NOT take the best QB?

[Tryptamine]

14 minutes ago, raw said:

why would the best use of assets be to NOT take the best QB?

Because I'm not convinced there's a huge gap between Maye/Williams and Daniels. Like I said, I'd have to watch Daniels more, but from what I've seen I think it's pretty minimal.

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, raw said:

why would the best use of assets be to NOT take the best QB?

I believe the thinking is the “best qb” may not actually be that great and the BPA truly is. And he’d be a guy that helps whatever qb you’ve got. 
 

QB first always and forever is a flawed draft theory that has blown up repeatedly. 

[raw]

Eh, that makes sense. I just value Williams more than that line of thinking seems to. I do think Harrison is the best prospect in this draft, but Williams is 2nd for me and when they are that close, defaulting to the QB especially when you have a stud WR already makes the most sense to me. But I can buy the logic here.

[Derwood]

Any scenario where we don’t walk away with Harrison is a failure. 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Derwood

[Brian707]

16 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Any scenario where we don’t walk away with Harrison is a failure. 

Well they are picking #1 and probably 10ish. I doubt they get him unless they trade down to 3

[Derwood]

14 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Well they are picking #1 and probably 10ish. I doubt they get him unless they trade down to 3

I'm saying that should get Harrison at #1 instead of a mediocre QB

[UK]

Just now, Derwood said:

I'm saying that should get Harrison at #1 instead of a mediocre QB

Depends who the QB is. I have Harrison 1 overall followed by Williams and Maye. Nabers is #4 on my board. As I mentioned in the other thread. There's trade value in the #1 overall as we seen last year. 

Personally, I'd rather have Nabers and Newton/Latham/Turner over Harrison.

[Brian707]

If the Bears want to take MHJ at #1 a team like AZ or NE would likely want to trade up for a QB. Bears can then just trade down.

[BigSlick]

If we're intent on getting MHJ, it would be silly to not trade down and get something from the teams looking for a QB. Even if it were a 6th rounder (it would be significantly more, of course). 

The Patriots are 100% going to draft a QB, so there's some capital to be gained by swapping with them. 

[Tryptamine]

29 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

If we're intent on getting MHJ, it would be silly to not trade down and get something from the teams looking for a QB. Even if it were a 6th rounder (it would be significantly more, of course). 

The Patriots are 100% going to draft a QB, so there's some capital to be gained by swapping with them. 

Well, with Arizona sitting at #3 currently, there's not much room to trade back if MHJ is your guy. I mean you could try and bluff NE into thinking you're willing to trade past Arizona and bypass MHJ I suppose.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I'm starting to wonder if maybe the best use of assets, if you want a QB, would be take MHJ at #1 move back to around #10-12 with your 2nd pick and take Jayden Daniels. I still haven't seen enough of him to be super well informed, but the reports are very positive. My only instant concern is that he has WRs that are way too good for their competition. So is he getting carried by his WRs, or is he part of the reason they look so good?

We have Justin fields at home 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

4 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I believe the thinking is the “best qb” may not actually be that great and the BPA truly is. And he’d be a guy that helps whatever qb you’ve got. 
 

QB first always and forever is a flawed draft theory that has blown up repeatedly. 

Whereas "lets skimp on QB" went great for the bears from 1986 to 2017ish 

[raw]

7 hours ago, Derwood said:

Any scenario where we don’t walk away with Harrison is a failure. 

I hate this sentiment. I hate the thought that the Bears need 1 certain player in a draft where 256 prospects will be drafted. The same thing was said about Jalen Carter last year and George Pickens the year before that. Both are good players, but they are fine without both. They'll be fine without Harrison. It's a loaded WR class. I'd love to have him but saying it's a failure to not have him is asinine.

[cwood218]

3 hours ago, raw said:

I hate this sentiment. I hate the thought that the Bears need 1 certain player in a draft where 256 prospects will be drafted. The same thing was said about Jalen Carter last year and George Pickens the year before that. Both are good players, but they are fine without both. They'll be fine without Harrison. It's a loaded WR class. I'd love to have him but saying it's a failure to not have him is asinine.

Failure would absolutely be the right thing to call it.

Clearly you don't know your history.

One only has to think back to the 1985 NFL Draft and the horrific scenario that played out for Bill Walsh and the 49ers.

Needing a receiver and having conviction on Mr. Eddie Brown from Miami, the 49ers traded up to pick 1-16 only to have the Bengals steal away Mr. Brown with pick 1-13.

This epic failure led to a near total melt down wherein Walsh proceeded to apparently panic and select the next guy on his receivers list. Unfortunately, Per the 49ers' own scouting director this guy was only a 5th round talent.

Some relatively unknown and slow ( 4.57 in the 40 ) receiver from some division whatever school, Mississippi Valley something.

Meanwhile Mr. Brown won rookie of the year, made a pro bowl in 1988 and led his team to a super bowl appearance.

Also, Mr. Brown's 24 yards per catch average is an NFL single-season record that still stands for receivers with 50+ receptions.

This failure eventually lead to Walsh leaving the NFL and going back to college coaching at Stanford from which he came.

If you have a chance to watch a 49ers home game on TV pay attention when they show the sidelines. Sometimes you can see a glimpse of the guy they took at 1-16. Even though he isn't in the league anymore he occasionally shows up to watch from the field. Once I even saw him wearing some tacky looking gold jacket that looked like it was from the 1970's or something. Poor guy, I guess they don't teach fashion at the small schools.

Edited December 13, 2023 by cwood218

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090917-jayden-daniels-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-lsu-qb

He's Justin fields with hopefully less processing issues but also a noticeably worse arm.

 

[BigbadB]

11 hours ago, raw said:

I hate this sentiment. I hate the thought that the Bears need 1 certain player in a draft where 256 prospects will be drafted. The same thing was said about Jalen Carter last year and George Pickens the year before that. Both are good players, but they are fine without both. They'll be fine without Harrison. It's a loaded WR class. I'd love to have him but saying it's a failure to not have him is asinine.

Yeah, I'm not really sure there is much of a drop off from MHJ to Nabors. If the Bears wanted to just go crazy on stocking up, they could trade down with both of those first round picks and still get Nabors. With that said, I think Keon Coleman would be a nice compliment to Moore, also. Regardless, I think they will have to shop for a veteran WR in FA this offseason. I just don't see it being a failure if they take the haul of picks trading down. Imagining another haul like they got from Carolina (or potentially even better) is quite interesting to think about.

[BigbadB]

8 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090917-jayden-daniels-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-lsu-qb

He's Justin fields with hopefully less processing issues but also a noticeably worse arm.

 

The concerns I've heard is that at 6'4" and only 210 pounds, the NFL will snap him like a twig.

[raw]

17 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

The concerns I've heard is that at 6'4" and only 210 pounds, the NFL will snap him like a twig.

Yeah, that's my concern too. He's rail thin. 210 may be an exaggeration. He left multiple games this year with injuries as well and all of them from taking brutal hits. And like Kyle said, he doesn't have Justin's arm either. 

At least a guy like Caleb Williams, while he may be 6', he has a thicker build and a rocket arm and quick release. He'll likely take too many hits too, but can better withstand them and isn't as quick to run....so far.

[Old Style]

11 hours ago, cwood218 said:

Failure would absolutely be the right thing to call it.

Clearly you don't know your history.

One only has to think back to the 1985 NFL Draft and the horrific scenario that played out for Bill Walsh and the 49ers.

Needing a receiver and having conviction on Mr. Eddie Brown from Miami, the 49ers traded up to pick 1-16 only to have the Bengals steal away Mr. Brown with pick 1-13.

This epic failure led to a near total melt down wherein Walsh proceeded to apparently panic and select the next guy on his receivers list. Unfortunately, Per the 49ers' own scouting director this guy was only a 5th round talent.

Some relatively unknown and slow ( 4.57 in the 40 ) receiver from some division whatever school, Mississippi Valley something.

Meanwhile Mr. Brown won rookie of the year, made a pro bowl in 1988 and led his team to a super bowl appearance.

Also, Mr. Brown's 24 yards per catch average is an NFL single-season record that still stands for receivers with 50+ receptions.

This failure eventually lead to Walsh leaving the NFL and going back to college coaching at Stanford from which he came.

If you have a chance to watch a 49ers home game on TV pay attention when they show the sidelines. Sometimes you can see a glimpse of the guy they took at 1-16. Even though he isn't in the league anymore he occasionally shows up to watch from the field. Once I even saw him wearing some tacky looking gold jacket that looked like it was from the 1970's or something. Poor guy, I guess they don't teach fashion at the small schools.

Excellent point…from 38 years ago. 

[BigbadB]

8 minutes ago, Old Style said:

Excellent point…from 38 years ago. 

I'd say it's an excellent point that holds up today. While it's hard to pass up the top available guy on the board, it's not always the top guy on the board that ends up being the most successful guy in the league.

Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, CD Lamb and Jalen Reagor all went ahead of Justin Jefferson in 2020. Don't know who was ranked highest on draft boards that year, but I'd be okay if we got someone as good as Lamb or Jefferson if we don't take MHJ. I'd also be sad if we ended up with a Henry Ruggs, Jalen Reagor clone. 

Still, the haul of trading #1 down to around the the same spot as last year and making that trade with another team that will be rebuilding with a rookie QB and will suck next year might be too hard to pass up over the difference in ability between MHJ and Nabors or Coleman.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Second-tier QB prospects are obscure upset picks in March madness.

Everyone has one they like, most of them are going to easily fail, but one of them will probably succeed and the people who had it will be excited to say they told you so.

 

I'm sure someone out of the Nix, McCarty, Daniels, Penix, Beck, Ewers pile will become a good QB.  

 

I'm not eager to try to guess which one unless we don't have better options 

[Andy]

26 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

Still, the haul of trading #1 down to around the the same spot as last year and making that trade with another team that will be rebuilding with a rookie QB and will suck next year might be too hard to pass up over the difference in ability between MHJ and Nabors or Coleman.

Despite my extreme bitterness at the way this season is playing out, I have nothing at all against the Bears and I think it would be a mistake to flip the #1 pick again just because you were lucky enough to do it with the most inept franchise in all of pro sports the first time and you're hoping to strike gold again. The chances of Caleb Williams being as terrible as Bryce Young is, and being surrounded by a similar giant pile of crap like Young is to compound it, aren't very high.

By all means, if you're the Bears and you think you can get the guy you want later in the 1st, trade the pick, but don't just flip it because you're in love with the idea of more assets.