2024 NFL Draft

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1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

That is a very convoluted thought process. If you pick up the 5th year option you are passing in 2024 draft picks and committing 2 years, that is all. 

Seems that teams that often pick up the 5th year of their QB re-sign said QB to a long-term deal. Teams are really good about not picking up options for players who aren't for sure long-term building blocks.

[jersey cubs fan]

50 minutes ago, raw said:

Seems that teams that often pick up the 5th year of their QB re-sign said QB to a long-term deal. Teams are really good about not picking up options for players who aren't for sure long-term building blocks.

Sure. But it doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t anything more than a 1 year commitment. It probably won’t happen. But it’s only adding one year to the contract. Teams should probably be more willing to take advantage of it in short term even if it’s a guy they don’t want to commit massive guarantees for multiple years. If they don’t find the qb they want in the draft they should just keep adding other pieces and play out the string with Fields if he plays well enough down the stretch to earn another chance. 
 

If Carolina wins a couple more games and bears win ~4 more, I’d rather they pick studs at other positions than allow Poles to trade up and select his guy. Then you let Fields remain a placeholder and challenge him to earn an extension. 

[jumbo]

9 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Sure. But it doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t anything more than a 1 year commitment. It probably won’t happen. But it’s only adding one year to the contract. Teams should probably be more willing to take advantage of it in short term even if it’s a guy they don’t want to commit massive guarantees for multiple years. If they don’t find the qb they want in the draft they should just keep adding other pieces and play out the string with Fields if he plays well enough down the stretch to earn another chance. 
 

If Carolina wins a couple more games and bears win ~4 more, I’d rather they pick studs at other positions than allow Poles to trade up and select his guy. Then you let Fields remain a placeholder and challenge him to earn an extension. 

Isn't the deadline for the fifth year option the year before? During this offseason the Bears have to elect to exercise the option for the 25 season before the 24 season. 

In your scenario are you exercising his fifth year option or no?  

[jumbo]

11 hours ago, SpongeWorthy said:

Barnwell said in his column today that Fields could net a similar return to Sam Darnold when the Jets traded him to Carolina which was a 2, 4, and 6

I don’t really believe that even though I think Fields is a better player 

I was talking to a guy at work yesterday about what it would take the rest of this season to decide to stick with Fields. For me, he would have to play well AND win all four of their "Coin flip" games (Minnesota, Atlanta, Green Bay, Arizona) and at least one of the other three games (Detroit, Cleveland, Detroit). 

That seems like a pretty high bar and I don't expect to see it. If it happens I think everyone would be back coaching wise along with Fields. If not, I'm taking this trade (or even a lesser version), hiring the top OC available to take over and drafting Maye and hopefully Harrison, but whatever other stud "blue chipper" available along with getting a couple picks back. 

I'm not sure I want Poles to stay, but I would be surprised if he doesn't. Maybe Warren is cold blooded enough to bounce him and bring in his own guys.  

[jersey cubs fan]

5 minutes ago, jumbo said:

Isn't the deadline for the fifth year option the year before? During this offseason the Bears have to elect to exercise the option for the 25 season before the 24 season. 

In your scenario are you exercising his fifth year option or no?  

Yes, it’s this upcoming offseason. If you don’t end up with the top pick and don’t love the secondary guys in the draft, you probably keeps Fields around, if he plays well enough down the stretch to earn that chance. And depending on how well, that might justify picking up the 5th year option, which is not that big of a commitment in a world of never ending cap space for this bears team. You still have an opportunity to draft another guy in 2024 and 2025, let alone the next 7 years. 

[CubinNY]

12 hours ago, SpongeWorthy said:

Barnwell said in his column today that Fields could net a similar return to Sam Darnold when the Jets traded him to Carolina which was a 2, 4, and 6

I don’t really believe that even though I think Fields is a better player 

I don't believe it either and Fields is not a better player. He's an abject failure to this point and appears to get a little worse every game he starts. He's been standing on the sidelines looking depressed for three weeks. He needs to go out and start and show that he has the talent to be a QB. If he fails, his value is going to be pretty low. 

[jersey cubs fan]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I don't believe it either and Fields is not a better player. He's an abject failure to this point and appears to get a little worse every game he starts. He's been standing on the sidelines looking depressed for three weeks. He needs to go out and start and show that he has the talent to be a QB. If he fails, his value is going to be pretty low. 

This is just a remarkably inaccurate assessment 

[Tryptamine]

Nothing has been more overhyped than the takes on Fields while on the sidelines.  People now calling him a diva, saying he's pouting, saying he doesn't care, etc. It's all hot takes with nothing to back it up.

[Tim]

7 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Nothing has been more overhyped than the takes on Fields while on the sidelines.  People now calling him a diva, saying he's pouting, saying he doesn't care, etc. It's all hot takes with nothing to back it up.

There were the takes of Cutler while on the sidelines...

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3 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I don't believe it either and Fields is not a better player. He's an abject failure to this point and appears to get a little worse every game he starts. He's been standing on the sidelines looking depressed for three weeks. He needs to go out and start and show that he has the talent to be a QB. If he fails, his value is going to be pretty low. 

To piggyback, yes this is remarkably inaccurate.

"A little worse every game he starts". Sure his last game was bad. But he came off of B2B 4 TD pass games with a 285+ passing in each game. One of those defenses just worked over Mahomes. 

And I love the old adage that you can look at someone and tell they're depressed. A) that's NOT remotely true. B) if your starting QB looks even remotely excited to be watching someone else QB his team (in game, not in the lockeroom after a win) then that's probably not the best thing,,

Even if he fails, he has one of the best QB rushing seasons in NFL history to fall back on. He has very high highs passing the ball in spotlight games. He also has built in excuses if his defensive HC gets fired and with an injury to his throwing hand. 

The issue isn't his talent to be a QB, his body language or his lack of linear progression. It's consistency, it's not taking bad sacks, it's not putting his team in bad positions. The on-field stuff is almost secondary to the fact that committing to him likely means a lot of money invested and a high opportunity cost caused by passing up cheaper, potentially better options for the 2nd year in a row.....a chance you likely won't get again.

[Derwood]

2 hours ago, Tim said:

There were the takes of Cutler while on the sidelines...

But to be fair, Cutler WAS a pouty diva. I just wish he would have actually lit up a heater while standing there

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, raw said:

To piggyback, yes this is remarkably inaccurate.

"A little worse every game he starts". Sure his last game was bad. But he came off of B2B 4 TD pass games with a 285+ passing in each game. One of those defenses just worked over Mahomes. 

And I love the old adage that you can look at someone and tell they're depressed. A) that's NOT remotely true. B) if your starting QB looks even remotely excited to be watching someone else QB his team (in game, not in the lockeroom after a win) then that's probably not the best thing,,

Even if he fails, he has one of the best QB rushing seasons in NFL history to fall back on. He has very high highs passing the ball in spotlight games. He also has built in excuses if his defensive HC gets fired and with an injury to his throwing hand. 

The issue isn't his talent to be a QB, his body language or his lack of linear progression. It's consistency, it's not taking bad sacks, it's not putting his team in bad positions. The on-field stuff is almost secondary to the fact that committing to him likely means a lot of money invested and a high opportunity cost caused by passing up cheaper, potentially better options for the 2nd year in a row.....a chance you likely won't get again.

I didn't say he was depressed. I said he looked depressed. Being one of the best-rushing QBs in NFL history is not a mark in his favor. He's been awful and continues to be awful and he's not looking like he's going to get any better. If he does, great.

I don't understand how sitting on the bench watching a backup have games that a backup will have has changed anyone's opinion on him. 

We can assign blame any way we want for his failure. I think it falls mainly on the coaches and Bears front office. He's the same as he was the day they drafted him. That's not necessarily his fault. It doesn't change anything about the situation either. 

[gflore34]

2 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I didn't say he was depressed. I said he looked depressed. Being one of the best-rushing QBs in NFL history is not a mark in his favor. He's been awful and continues to be awful and he's not looking like he's going to get any better. If he does, great.

I don't understand how sitting on the bench watching a backup have games that a backup will have has changed anyone's opinion on him. 

We can assign blame any way we want for his failure. I think it falls mainly on the coaches and Bears front office. He's the same as he was the day they drafted him. That's not necessarily his fault. It doesn't change anything about the situation either. 

Most of the blame is the prior front office, Pace drafted essentially the same QB twice.  I think the current front office and coaching staff had a pretty good idea of Fields' flaws, yet, they chose to give it shot and roll the dice with him.  Moreover,  I believe Poles was not enamored enough of any this years' QB's to pick one over Fields.  Next year is a different story, if they're in a draft position to get Maye, Fields is gone.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fields needs to be gone even if Williams and Maye are off the table.  The options will be severely less appetizing and our QB hell will probably continue, but running it back for year 4 of the Fields experiment isn't a better option.

[Derwood]

Caleb about to lose his fifth game this year

[Hairyducked Idiot]

27 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Caleb about to lose his fifth game this year

Watched the first three quarters and came out with a higher estimation of Caleb Williams than I went into it with. His offensive line was completely overwhelmed, there was absolutely zero running threat. and he was magicianing positive plays out of nothing.  He's closing in on 400 yards with a 75% completion rate in a game in which I think literally zero other QBs in college football could come anywhere close to what he's done.

[SpongeWorthy]

yeah williams has been pretty great during this SC collapse

when YouTube video analysis season kicks off the evaluations are going to be all over the place

ive watched almost every snap he has played since he came to USC and I’m not sure he knows how to read a defense but I’m pretty sure this is a 2 win team without him 

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4 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fields needs to be gone even if Williams and Maye are off the table.  The options will be severely less appetizing and our QB hell will probably continue, but running it back for year 4 of the Fields experiment isn't a better option.

I think he is gone. Too many whispers, too much writing on the wall. Bagent coming in and looking competent hurts Fields more than anything, IMO. Fields not only has to look competent, he has to look like a 3rd year QB, who was the 11th overall pick compared to a rookie UDFA. He has to leave no doubt, IMO.

If Williams and Maye are off the table, Poles has to know that he can put out a competent QB for the short-term if he has to. Luckily for the Bears, it seems pretty unlikely that both will be off the table because every team has a game on Carolina, who looks putrid most weeks. And Carolina has SOS disadvantage over everyone in contention as well, so they may need to win MORE than every other team at the bottom of the league.

[Tryptamine]

A few of the Bear relevant guys performances 

Maye had a bad game 16/36 209 yards 1TD 1INT

MHJ with a really quiet game 3 catches for 30 yards and a TD

Nix had a huge game 24/29 404 yards 6TD

Williams had a solid game despite USC's continued implosion. 31/42 384 yards 1TD 1INT

Penix is still playing 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Go to 3:27.  Steps up in the pocket to defeat the blitz, throws while on the move without setting his feet, throw travels 50 yards downfield and drops straight into the receiver's palms.

[Brian707]

Bo Nix. I don't follow him much but would look good in a Bears uniform 

[CubinNY]

22 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Bo Nix. I don't follow him much but would look good in a Bears uniform 

He's got all the check-off boxes. He is the son of a legendary HS football coach. He has a great arm, size, and mobility. He was at Auburn under terrible conditions with an awful coach. I think he has a lot of the ingredients to make a great NFL QB. 

[Outshined_One]

My wish for this QB class is to make the NFL more enjoyable season-wide.  The jury is still out on 2023, but, from an NFL production standpoint, it feels like the last decade of drafts has only had one year where more than one high quality starter came out of the class (2020), and the overall quality of the product has suffered as a result.

[CubinNY]

4 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

My wish for this QB class is to make the NFL more enjoyable season-wide.  The jury is still out on 2023, but, from an NFL production standpoint, it feels like the last decade of drafts has only had one year where more than one high quality starter came out of the class (2020), and the overall quality of the product has suffered as a result.

We kind of hit on that in the college football thread. In general, the talent coming out of college is mediocre. Maybe mediocre isn't the right word, but more equal. The result is a small standard deviation of talent. 

[jersey cubs fan]