**Official Trade Deadline Thread**

[SOFNR]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Depending on the cost, I could have some interest in Ty France. He's having a down year, but posted a 126 and 130 wRC+ the last 2 years. He doesn't have the usual 1B pop, he's more in the 15-20 HR range, but strong bat to ball skills. He's not a FA until 2026. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/mariners-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-on-ty-france-teoscar-hernandez.html

France and Sewald would be an intriguing package.

[WhyCantWeWin]

With Armstrong promoted and Caissie ready for one too there has to be a trade in the works involving the glut of outfielders at Iowa right now. Velazquez, Hill, Canario, Davis all expendable. 

[Banedon]

 

[JD94]

AZ Phil says don’t count out that possibility that Stroman could be scratched tonight and Kilian makes a spot start. Meaning if Stroman is scratched, he’s likely getting dealt, and obviously if not, he probably won’t get traded. I could absolutely see Jed trading Stroman and riding with Wesneski and still buying small pieces to help the rest of the way. 
 

Just throwing that out there. I wouldn’t imagine it happens though. 

[JD94]

1 minute ago, Banedon said:

 

Has he been playing since he hurt his shoulder? 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

1 minute ago, JD94 said:

AZ Phil says don’t count out that possibility that Stroman could be scratched tonight and Kilian makes a spot start. Meaning if Stroman is scratched, he’s likely getting dealt, and obviously if not, he probably won’t get traded. I could absolutely see Jed trading Stroman and riding with Wesneski and still buying small pieces to help the rest of the way. 
 

Just throwing that out there. I wouldn’t imagine it happens though. 

People keep saying this, but how can you trade Stroman and say with a straight face that you’re still trying to compete when you’re already using an opener every fifth day? Unless they immediately turn around and trade for another starter, I don’t see it, even given Stro’s recent struggles.

[ILMindState]

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 minutes ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

People keep saying this, but how can you trade Stroman and say with a straight face that you’re still trying to compete when you’re already using an opener every fifth day? Unless they immediately turn around and trade for another starter, I don’t see it, even given Stro’s recent struggles.

You can't. And then if you somehow get to the playoffs, you have to cobble together a 4 man rotation without your best (or second best) starter.

[17 Seconds]

I could see them trading Stroman and then making another trade for a controllable.pitcher to replace him

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, ILMindState said:

 

Good get on both sides. Cleveland gets the bat it badly needs. TB gets a solid starter. 

[Dfan25]

25 minutes ago, JD94 said:

AZ Phil says don’t count out that possibility that Stroman could be scratched tonight and Kilian makes a spot start. Meaning if Stroman is scratched, he’s likely getting dealt, and obviously if not, he probably won’t get traded. I could absolutely see Jed trading Stroman and riding with Wesneski and still buying small pieces to help the rest of the way. 
 

Just throwing that out there. I wouldn’t imagine it happens though. 

I wouldn’t be surprise if they trade Stroman tomorrow if he pitches well tonight , but the Cubs lose .They would be 5 games back with a tough short term schedule while Milwaukee would be playing bad teams . 

[UMFan83]

18 minutes ago, Bobson Dugnutt said:

People keep saying this, but how can you trade Stroman and say with a straight face that you’re still trying to compete when you’re already using an opener every fifth day? Unless they immediately turn around and trade for another starter, I don’t see it, even given Stro’s recent struggles.

The return would include players who help fill holes this year and have more control beyond this year.  You are right you can't trade your ace and have people believe you are trying to win this year, but that's the justification I think they would use.

 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Cleveland is trading away useful pitchers and taking on hit-first prospects, I wonder what the cost would look like to get Josh Naylor.

[Dfan25]

28 minutes ago, JD94 said:

Has he been playing since he hurt his shoulder? 

Yes

[Dfan25]

19 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

I could see them trading Stroman and then making another trade for a controllable.pitcher to replace him

I know people don’t want to hear it , but I think trading Morel for a SP makes sense given the roster they have and the players that are sign for the next 3 years 

[UMFan83]

Just now, Dfan25 said:

I know people don’t want to hear it , but I think trading Morel for a SP makes sense given the roster they have and the players that are sign for the next 3 years 

It's funny because I've seen as many of these types of trades this year between teams still in the hunt as I've seen pure selling types of trades. 

[SOFNR]

I don't think there's much chance of a Stroman trade at this point. If it was to happen I'd have to assume there would be a younger, cheaper, more controllable starting pitcher coming in before the deadline to replace him.  Jed is pretty clearly limited in how much money he can take on because the Ricketts are petrified of the tax. Moving Stroman recoups some prospect capital and makes staying under the tax a little easier. But I still just can't see it happening.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

59 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

Maybe this is coloring my opinion of how the Cubs should proceed, but I don't get the same feeling from this team's farm system that I did in 2014/2015.  Don't get me wrong, I think PCA is an incredibly important part of this team's future, but after him, there's enough uncertainty to give me pause.

There's definitely potential in the Alcantara/Canario/Caissie grouping of position players, but I feel like this team has recently struggled developing players with their profiles.  I also really like Brown/Wicks/Horton/Wesneski, but TINSTAAPP always scares the crap out of me, even though this team seems to have gotten over its apparent inability to develop pitching.

If there's a move that makes this team better this year and better in 2024, and the price is right, then they should absolutely pursue it, even if it means giving up someone like Alcantara or Brown.

The 2014/15 farm was one of ever assembled on the draft era.  This farm is good, but like ordinary levels of good 

[Stratos]

13 minutes ago, SOFNR said:

I don't think there's much chance of a Stroman trade at this point. If it was to happen I'd have to assume there would be a younger, cheaper, more controllable starting pitcher coming in before the deadline to replace him.  Jed is pretty clearly limited in how much money he can take on because the Ricketts are petrified of the tax. Moving Stroman recoups some prospect capital and makes staying under the tax a little easier. But I still just can't see it happening.

If Ben Brown or Wicks were killing it in AAA I could maybe see a trade more likely.  It's still possible but I dunno, not sure what they'll do.  Maybe it will just depend on the offer they get.

[JD94]

You have to take into account the LT angle. They aren’t going to go over it. Period. Not this year. Not for a team that’s really mediocre with a lot of holes. They are going to have to get creative to open up some wiggle room. Not much you can do when you only have $5M to play with. That might get you a decent reliever and a okay rental bat. 

[UMFan83]

FWIW

 

 

 

[Outshined_One]

15 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The 2014/15 farm was one of ever assembled on the draft era.  This farm is good, but like ordinary levels of good 

I feel like 5-7 years from now, I'll be experiencing the same thing with former Cubs pitching prospects I currently do with former Cubs position player prospects.

"Holy crap, DJ LeMahieu is still playing?!"

"Huh, Jeimer Candelario made it.  Good for him."

"Isaac Paredes made the majors?!"

Needless to say, I'm really jazzed about the pitchers this team has in the upper minors and the depth they're starting to build out.  I wouldn't mind seeing them use that depth in trades, either, considering attrition/injuries/developmental setbacks happen frequently with young pitchers.

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, JD94 said:

You have to take into account the LT angle. They aren’t going to go over it. Period. Not this year. Not for a team that’s really mediocre with a lot of holes. They are going to have to get creative to open up some wiggle room. Not much you can do when you only have $5M to play with. That might get you a decent reliever and a okay rental bat. 

This sounds very similar to 2017 and 2018 where they didn't want to go deep into luxury tax territory because they wanted to be able to make a big move later. Then Harper was available and they did a big nothing.  

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

This sounds very similar to 2017 and 2018 where they didn't want to go deep into luxury tax territory because they wanted to be able to make a big move later. Then Harper was available and they did a big nothing.  

I wanted Harper as much as anyone, but 'a big nothing' in this case was signing Darvish and Kimbrel in that offseason instead, and exceeding the luxury tax line by over 35 million.

[Tryptamine]

11 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

I wanted Harper as much as anyone, but 'a big nothing' in this case was signing Darvish and Kimbrel in that offseason instead, and exceeding the luxury tax line by over 35 million.

Let me have my illogical hate of the franchise that had a star that wanted to play for them and they all but said, "no thanks".