New CBA negotiations

[squally1313]

Just start the innings with the bases loaded if you're going to do it this way.

[Derwood]

In 2017, NL Central teams averaged 26 extra innings played, with 7 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

In 2021, NL Central teams averaged 18 extra innings played, with 1 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

 

So we're bastardizing the competitive environment so teams can play one less extra inning/late extra inning per month. Good times.

But winning the game without a hit, via a sacrifice bunt and a sacrifice fly, is much more exciting!

 

I hate the rule, but we saw A LOT of teams faile to convert that ghost runner.

[Backtobanks]

In 2017, NL Central teams averaged 26 extra innings played, with 7 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

In 2021, NL Central teams averaged 18 extra innings played, with 1 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

 

So we're bastardizing the competitive environment so teams can play one less extra inning/late extra inning per month. Good times.

But winning the game without a hit, via a sacrifice bunt and a sacrifice fly, is much more exciting!

 

Are you describing the 2022 Cubs' offense?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

In 2017, NL Central teams averaged 26 extra innings played, with 7 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

In 2021, NL Central teams averaged 18 extra innings played, with 1 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

 

So we're bastardizing the competitive environment so teams can play one less extra inning/late extra inning per month. Good times.

Are you really bastardizing the competitive environment by implementing a rule that affects a handful of innings per year?

 

When those innings decide 5-10% of a team's games then yeah it's gonna be consequential.

[Irrelevant Dude]

In 2017, NL Central teams averaged 26 extra innings played, with 7 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

In 2021, NL Central teams averaged 18 extra innings played, with 1 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

 

So we're bastardizing the competitive environment so teams can play one less extra inning/late extra inning per month. Good times.

But winning the game without a hit, via a sacrifice bunt and a sacrifice fly, is much more exciting!

 

I hate the rule, but we saw A LOT of teams faile to convert that ghost runner.

Someone also made a good point that calling it a "ghost runner" is stupid. A ghost runner is an invisible runner that kids use in whiffle ball games to take the place of a player who legitimately reached base. The MLB runner is both real, and unearned.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

In 2017, NL Central teams averaged 26 extra innings played, with 7 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

In 2021, NL Central teams averaged 18 extra innings played, with 1 of those innings happening in the 12th or later.

 

 

So we're bastardizing the competitive environment so teams can play one less extra inning/late extra inning per month. Good times.

But winning the game without a hit, via a sacrifice bunt and a sacrifice fly, is much more exciting!

 

I hate the rule, but we saw A LOT of teams faile to convert that ghost runner.

 

It's subtle and lower on the list of reasons, but this is also part of what I don't like about this. It flips the paradigm from needing offensive achievement(scoring a run) to win to needing to avoid failure(not scoring the runner). If you went to one extreme(bases loaded) or the other(runner on 1st and/or start with X outs) you'd at least still make the average outcome one where you needed to do something offensively outside the expected outcome in order to win.

[soccer10k]

Just enact the rule starting with the 12th or 13th inning.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just enact the rule starting with the 12th or 13th inning.

This is a reasonable compromise. I still won't love it, but if you allow for 2 extra innings with normal rules, then go to the baserunner in the 12th, I can live with that. Most extra innings games are going to end before the 12th anyway. This way you are still allowing a majority of games to come to a "normal" conclusion, while protecting against the pitching staff damage that can occur in an 18-19 inning game.

[17 Seconds]

nooooooooooo

 

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Just end the games in ties.

[cl smooth]

Home run derby in the 10th to decide the winner.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not a CBA thing but feels like the best home for now, the Atlantic League gets a couple new experimental rules.

 

 

I love the double hook and I get the idea of creating an incentive for getting to 5 IP to cut down on SP commodification, but that change makes it lose some luster for me.

 

The dropped pitch thing is very interesting, especially since it seems like it applies regardless of count. Gonna have to think about that one a bit.

[UMFan83]

The dropped pitch thing is very interesting, especially since it seems like it applies regardless of count. Gonna have to think about that one a bit.

 

Counting it as a hit is my biggest problem with that. Are they trying to make sure it hits the pitcher's ERA if they score?

[jersey cubs fan]

Not a CBA thing but feels like the best home for now, the Atlantic League gets a couple new experimental rules.

 

 

I love the double hook and I get the idea of creating an incentive for getting to 5 IP to cut down on SP commodification, but that change makes it lose some luster for me.

 

The dropped pitch thing is very interesting, especially since it seems like it applies regardless of count. Gonna have to think about that one a bit.

5 IP is kind of a pointless goal as you'd pretty much just be losing your DH in games you go down big early. But 6 IP is not great and I'd hate to incentivize major league managers extending their SP past their comfort zone just to keep the DH.

[Rob]

Not a CBA thing but feels like the best home for now, the Atlantic League gets a couple new experimental rules.

 

 

I love the double hook and I get the idea of creating an incentive for getting to 5 IP to cut down on SP commodification, but that change makes it lose some luster for me.

 

The dropped pitch thing is very interesting, especially since it seems like it applies regardless of count. Gonna have to think about that one a bit.

5 IP is kind of a pointless goal as you'd pretty much just be losing your DH in games you go down big early. But 6 IP is not great and I'd hate to incentivize major league managers extending their SP past their comfort zone just to keep the DH.

 

Can Manfred please just take baseball behind the shed and give it the Old Yeller treatment already? Dragging it out like this isn't helping anybody.

[Bertz]

[Bertz]

[Andy]

That anyone expects people to buy that the 3rd straight year of a rule is going to be "temporary" makes me irrationally annoyed. Just say this is the way baseball is now and save me the trouble of being newly pissed about this next year when you inevitably make it permanent.

[Cubswin11]

I haven’t seen one but has there been any articles/studies that the runner on 2B rule has shortened games (because that seems to be the goal)?

[Andy]

I haven’t seen one but has there been any articles/studies that the runner on 2B rule has shortened games (because that seems to be the goal)?

I wish I had the link now because I've been citing it a lot lately but I read the average extra inning game was 4 minutes shorter in 2020 than in 2019.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I haven’t seen one but has there been any articles/studies that the runner on 2B rule has shortened games (because that seems to be the goal)?

I wish I had the link now because I've been citing it a lot lately but I read the average extra inning game was 4 minutes shorter in 2020 than in 2019.

 

[CubinNY]

The players just want their workday to be over. I think maybe the solution is just to have ties. Runner on 2nd is a mockery of the sport whose only purpose is to get a binary outcome as quickly as possible. If it's not important enough to play with the normal rules of baseball, it is not worth doing.

[Cubswin11]

I’d be fine with ties after 13 or so innings using the old extra innings rules. Or at least use ties in NL vs AL games and out of division games and go until there’s a winner in division games so everyone has their H2H tie breaker stuff.

[Tim]

Just go the hockey route and have a HR derby

[squally1313]

Play the 10th inning and if you're still tied, one batter starts with a 1-0 count, if he reaches base his team wins, if not they lose. Home team can pick which side they want.