Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[WrigleyField 22]

Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench.

 

Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management.

There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources.

 

Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO.

 

Dalton at $3m is fine, but that isn't happening. Dalton is a little more than a year older than Foles and for some reason people are pretending he hasn't sucked balls in recent seasons. He had a good run in his 20s and is trash now. There is no point in signing Dalton with Foles on the roster. Now if there is some weirdo team that wants Foles as part of a trade that allows the Bears to acquire more picks or something, okay, wheel and deal and keep that QB shuffle moving. Who cares? But Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is bad management, and you cannot go through this draft without picking a QB somewhere.

I'd say up to 6m is probably okay for Dalton even if my preference is exploring other options who might come in lower.

 

And yea I have said from day 1 they need to draft a guy, but there will be a big difference if it's Mac Jones at 20 or Jaime Newman in the 3rd as it relates to your confidence that that pick is your viable backup. And at 20 it may be very well be that Trask is the best option (and they he won't last or 52 either).

[jersey cubs fan]

 

It's reasonable, but it's also underwhelming, given the QB talent that has been available so far this offseason.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would.

 

Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.

Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears.

[UMFan83]

i see people are trying to justify Dalton signing. This is why its stupid to give Pace and Nagy and 1 year mandate. They will take a big swing for a Russell Wilson but at the end of the day they need to at least incrementally improve to potentially keep their jobs. Id rather go big for a QB or just rebuild but Pace doesnt have that luxury

[jersey cubs fan]

i see people are trying to justify Dalton signing. This is why its stupid to give Pace and Nagy and 1 year mandate. They will take a big swing for a Russell Wilson but at the end of the day they need to at least incrementally improve to potentially keep their jobs. Id rather go big for a QB or just rebuild but Pace doesnt have that luxury

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate.

[gflore34]

i see people are trying to justify Dalton signing. This is why its stupid to give Pace and Nagy and 1 year mandate. They will take a big swing for a Russell Wilson but at the end of the day they need to at least incrementally improve to potentially keep their jobs. Id rather go big for a QB or just rebuild but Pace doesnt have that luxury

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate.

 

That's very reasonable, we all think it so and it probably should be so but, with this ownership, who knows.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

It's reasonable, but it's also underwhelming, given the QB talent that has been available so far this offseason.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would.

 

Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.

Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears.

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the back with Pace? Like what the hell?

Edited March 16, 2021 by WrigleyField 22

[jersey cubs fan]

i see people are trying to justify Dalton signing. This is why its stupid to give Pace and Nagy and 1 year mandate. They will take a big swing for a Russell Wilson but at the end of the day they need to at least incrementally improve to potentially keep their jobs. Id rather go big for a QB or just rebuild but Pace doesnt have that luxury

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate.

 

That's very reasonable, we all think it so and it probably should be so but, with this ownership, who knows.

 

The cagey way they handled the "did pace sign an extension" question is still so odd. It would make a lot of sense to actually give both of those guys contracts through 2023. In the middle of a pandemic and a down year they would not be expecting a big raise. You can keep your HC/GM contracts reasonable, then give these two an honest shot at figuring out the QB position together preferably through the draft. 2021 would be a season that has to look better on offense. Even if you go 8-8 and miss the playoffs, depending on how you do it could give George faith in their ability to keep taking steps forward.

 

The public wouldn't accept extensions after this year, so you don't announce it. But "quiet extensions" do happen. If they horsefeathers the bed entirely for 2021, you can make still cut bait. But this would set up 2022 as the year Nagy and a new QB has to put up numbers, and anything other than a confirmed franchise QB means a house cleaning and a new regime starting fresh in 2023.

 

I'm still believing the McCaskeys are desperate to find stability at GM/HC after years of turnover and would be willing to put off the house cleaning to the last possible moment once they are sure Nagy isn't the guy.

[jersey cubs fan]

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would.

 

Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.

Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears.

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell?

I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources.

[WrigleyField 22]

Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears.

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell?

I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources.

As opposed to what? Foles and a draft pick?

 

Really depends on the type of draft pick at the end of the day too, but any QB room with Foles as the presumptive starter is bad. Sooo... Yea they are only going to have a good QB room if they hit on a draft pick or catch lightning in a bottle.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell?

I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources.

As opposed to what? Foles and a draft pick?

 

Really depends on the type of draft pick at the end of the day too, but any QB room with Foles as the presumptive starter is bad. Sooo... Yea they are only going to have a good QB room if they hit on a draft pick or catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Any QB room with Dalton as the presumptive starter is bad. Dalton is bad. At least with just Foles and a draft pick you can use that cap space and roster spot on a player that would contribute. Dalton adds nothing. If he's somehow replacing Foles, fine. But I have no idea how that would work. If you aren't getting a good QB, then go cheap and use the money on football players. Foles, Dalton and a draft pick still leaves you with no good QB but a much more expensive room. It's an idiotic plan.

[WrigleyField 22]

At this point Dalton looks like a better option to me, ever so slightly. But realistically it's creating a competition and having redundancy for injury makes some sense. They're both low end starters or backups. But I'd probably still rather have multiple of these low end guys and have options than put all my eggs in one basket so I can save cap for like, a low end OT. Like they're clearly leaving efficient cap management behind for the forsreeble future. The ultimate cost of a guy like Dalton will range from "makes sense" to "mildly annoying, but mostly water under the bridge of how Pace intends to treat the cap" IMO. Edited March 16, 2021 by WrigleyField 22

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i see people are trying to justify Dalton signing. This is why its stupid to give Pace and Nagy and 1 year mandate. They will take a big swing for a Russell Wilson but at the end of the day they need to at least incrementally improve to potentially keep their jobs. Id rather go big for a QB or just rebuild but Pace doesnt have that luxury

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate.

 

Pace just always acts like he has one.

[UMFan83]

[gflore34]

 

All of these QB rumors surrounding the Bears is much ado about nothing, isn't it? Going to end up with horsefeathering Nick Foles as the Bears QB aren't we?

[Splendid Splinter]

If Nagy/Pace are seriously going through every QB option out there, they might as well call Andrew Luck and see if he'll come out of retirement. At this point, can't hurt to try right?

[Bertz]

 

All of these QB rumors surrounding the Bears is much ado about nothing, isn't it? Going to end up with horsefeathering Nick Foles as the Bears QB aren't we?

 

For any bad thing you can say about Pace, he's not afraid to make moves. If anything his problem is the opposite, being afraid to *not* make moves.

[WrigleyField 22]

If Nagy/Pace are seriously going through every QB option out there, they might as well call Andrew Luck and see if he'll come out of retirement. At this point, can't hurt to try right?

I think Indy still holds his rights. Not sure what they'd look for in a trade.

 

But I've not even heard a peep he might come back.

[Outshined_One]

 

All of these QB rumors surrounding the Bears is much ado about nothing, isn't it? Going to end up with horsefeathering Nick Foles as the Bears QB aren't we?

 

At the rate things are going, yes.

 

I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20.

[UMFan83]

 

All of these QB rumors surrounding the Bears is much ado about nothing, isn't it? Going to end up with horsefeathering Nick Foles as the Bears QB aren't we?

 

At the rate things are going, yes.

 

I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20.

 

I am convinced that they will offer like 2 1sts and a 2nd to trade up 7 spots and draft Mac Jones if they dont sign a FA or trade for the big names. I think there is 0 shot that Foles is the starter day 1 unless its to ease a drafted QB into action.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

All of these QB rumors surrounding the Bears is much ado about nothing, isn't it? Going to end up with horsefeathering Nick Foles as the Bears QB aren't we?

 

At the rate things are going, yes.

 

I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20.

 

I am convinced that they will offer like 2 1sts and a 2nd to trade up 7 spots and draft Mac Jones if they dont sign a FA or trade for the big names. I think there is 0 shot that Foles is the starter day 1 unless its to ease a drafted QB into action.

That would definitely be a lot for 7 slots from 20 to 13. Hope not.

 

Just going off Pace priors it's more likely he gives up an annoying, but smaller amount for a jump from like 20 to 18 (jump Washington). Or he'll give up all the picks for Wilson.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Nagy/Pace are seriously going through every QB option out there, they might as well call Andrew Luck and see if he'll come out of retirement. At this point, can't hurt to try right?

Okay Mike Tannenbaum

[Derwood]

If Russell REALLY wants out of Seattle, it's smart for the Bears to drag this out and let most (or all) of the FA quarterbacks get signed, limiting Seattle's trade partners.

[UMFan83]

 

At the rate things are going, yes.

 

I fully expect them to pull a Hayden Simpson in the draft when they're unable to trade up for Mac Jones, panic, and grossly overreach on a QB at 20.

 

I am convinced that they will offer like 2 1sts and a 2nd to trade up 7 spots and draft Mac Jones if they dont sign a FA or trade for the big names. I think there is 0 shot that Foles is the starter day 1 unless its to ease a drafted QB into action.

That would definitely be a lot for 7 slots from 20 to 13. Hope not.

 

Just going off Pace priors it's more likely he gives up an annoying, but smaller amount for a jump from like 20 to 18 (jump Washington). Or he'll give up all the picks for Wilson.

 

I was exaggerating, but I do think if we dont have a QB by draft time Pace will be desperate enough to over pay to move up and teams will sense that.

[Bertz]

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

 

lol