Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[David]

it's not the first time i've seen that talked about

 

but it can't be bad

[Derwood]

Tricking Seattle into taking Sam Darnold should win anyone a GM of the Year award

[Brian]

any number of tweets linking the Bears and Russell Wilson

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

any number of tweets linking the Bears and Russell Wilson

 

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If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding.

[jersey cubs fan]

any number of tweets linking the Bears and Russell Wilson

 

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If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding.

Id much rather get Mariotta at that point.

[WrigleyField 22]

any number of tweets linking the Bears and Russell Wilson

 

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If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding.

Id much rather get Mariotta at that point.

Really depends on cost at that point. Assuming Mariota is cut. I don't think I'd trade anything for him and his current deal.

 

But if it's an argument that Mariota has more upside, I'd say the draft is the route to get upside. But decent chance it's not an immediate contributor so Foles+vet give them good contingency (and they carry 3 QBs).

[WrigleyField 22]

Details of Mariotas contract:

https://overthecap.com/is-marcus-mariota-tradeable/

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Another vet QB off the market:

[WrigleyField 22]

I think Holmes is just trolling but....?

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay I don't think Biggs is much of a troller

[UMFan83]

Ugh. This franchise will never have a legit good QB will they?

[Outshined_One]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

[Bertz]

The most infuriating part of signing Dalton would IMO be that it makes the Foles trade that much worse. If you like him, even just as a backup, why the horsefeathers did you give up a 4th for Foles and his contract at this time last year?

[WrigleyField 22]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

[WrigleyField 22]

The most infuriating part of signing Dalton would IMO be that it makes the Foles trade that much worse. If you like him, even just as a backup, why the horsefeathers did you give up a 4th for Foles and his contract at this time last year?

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton.

 

But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

[jersey cubs fan]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench.

 

Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management.

[gflore34]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

 

This is about right, we all knew it beyond reasonable to expect something as good as trading for Wilson was going to happen with Pace as the Bears GM. I think, despite the good vibes of flirting with acquiring Wilson, we all really knew nothing good was to coming of Pace' attempts to find another QB. I guess the silver lining is they've retained all the picks plus Pace and company will all be gone after this completely blows up next season and maybe, just maybe, the Bears will get it correct with the next iteration of GM and HC. By the way who is going to be the pick at QB? It's certainly not going to be one of Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, etc. after these what's left?

[Bertz]

The most infuriating part of signing Dalton would IMO be that it makes the Foles trade that much worse. If you like him, even just as a backup, why the horsefeathers did you give up a 4th for Foles and his contract at this time last year?

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton.

 

But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

 

It's not my fault it's relevant again. Pace made a choice last year that looked dumb at the time and looks even worse in hindsight. My hope was that for scouting/scheme/personnel reasons that would go over my head, Dalton wasn't a fit. But if they bring him in now that's clearly not the case.

 

Dalton works on this roster. He's a quality backup either for a big acquisition or as a caddy for a draft pick. And I assume Dalton + Foles' dead money will be less than Foles salary (and if not, horsefeathering christ Pace).

[jersey cubs fan]

I choose to assume Dalton's name is being floated for negotiating purposes.

[gflore34]

The most infuriating part of signing Dalton would IMO be that it makes the Foles trade that much worse. If you like him, even just as a backup, why the horsefeathers did you give up a 4th for Foles and his contract at this time last year?

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton.

 

But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

 

It's not my fault it's relevant again. Pace made a choice last year that looked dumb at the time and looks even worse in hindsight. My hope was that for scouting/scheme/personnel reasons that would go over my head, Dalton wasn't a fit. But if they bring him in now that's clearly not the case.

 

Dalton works on this roster. He's a quality backup either for a big acquisition or as a caddy for a draft pick. And I assume Dalton + Foles' dead money will be less than Foles salary (and if not, horsefeathering christ Pace).

 

I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt, when has Pace ever shown himself to adept or even capable of making a smart move?

[WrigleyField 22]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench.

 

Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management.

There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources.

 

Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO.

[WrigleyField 22]

The most infuriating part of signing Dalton would IMO be that it makes the Foles trade that much worse. If you like him, even just as a backup, why the horsefeathers did you give up a 4th for Foles and his contract at this time last year?

Are we rehashing last year? Yea Pace was aggressive and didn't want to wait out the QB market, like he should have. He traded for Foles because the Bengals/Panthers asking prices were too high for Dalton/Newton.

 

But like that's all sunk cost and way too many fans apparently have a view that Foles is just a bed Pace has to lie in and not spend any other money on a QB unless it's Wilson?

 

It's not my fault it's relevant again. Pace made a choice last year that looked dumb at the time and looks even worse in hindsight. My hope was that for scouting/scheme/personnel reasons that would go over my head, Dalton wasn't a fit. But if they bring him in now that's clearly not the case.

 

Dalton works on this roster. He's a quality backup either for a big acquisition or as a caddy for a draft pick. And I assume Dalton + Foles' dead money will be less than Foles salary (and if not, horsefeathering christ Pace).

Well if that's a lie you told yourself last year to make yourself feel better, okay, but that's an absolutely wrong way to read what happened last year. It was bad last year and just because maybe we're just accepting that now doesn't mean Pace shouldn't try other avenues to add to the QB room.

 

And again, disclaimer that knowing all this it should be a reset year... But knowing it's not, Foles is really an insufficient stand alone plan at QB.

[Outshined_One]

So we're potentially looking at Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick at QB next season?

 

Welp.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

 

It's reasonable, but it's also underwhelming, given the QB talent that has been available so far this offseason.

 

I've spent way more time than I'd want to admit thinking about how the Bears have handled this offseason. Initially, I thought they had no plan going into 2021 aside from "dump Trubisky and hope everything else works out," which I think was supported by the numerous rumors that the Bears were offering the moon for everyone from Wentz to Wilson to Watson. However, the more time goes on, the more I suspect those rumors were leaked either by teams hoping to drive up the price of those assets or were more supposition than rumor, as the Bears were framed to be desperate to address the QB position.

 

However, assuming Dalton is the guy, it's looking more and more like the Bears' plans were to have Foles as the starter going into next season ( :barf: ) with a competent back-up, while acquiring a QB in the draft. It's a hell of a risk for a FO and coaching staff entering a prove it year, and it'll make Day 1 of the draft interesting, but we'll see how it plays out.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine.

 

Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace.

Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench.

 

Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management.

There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources.

 

Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO.

 

Dalton at $3m is fine, but that isn't happening. Dalton is a little more than a year older than Foles and for some reason people are pretending he hasn't sucked balls in recent seasons. He had a good run in his 20s and is trash now. There is no point in signing Dalton with Foles on the roster. Now if there is some weirdo team that wants Foles as part of a trade that allows the Bears to acquire more picks or something, okay, wheel and deal and keep that QB shuffle moving. Who cares? But Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is bad management, and you cannot go through this draft without picking a QB somewhere.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

It's reasonable, but it's also underwhelming, given the QB talent that has been available so far this offseason.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would.

 

Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down.