2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

[Cubswin11]

I think it’s more we wouldn’t be willing to send off the requisite prospects to make a deal. Those trades can still happen, Matt Kemp and Mike Leake are recent examples off the top of my head. Like to unload Heyward we’d have to give up multiple of Nico, Amaya, Marquez, and Davis. I think the prospect hoarding mentality would kick in on our side to not do it. horsefeathers I bet you’d have to attach at least Ademan or Roederer just to move Chatwood and we wouldn’t do that. A team like the Marlins, Mariners, etc should absolutely be looking to do a deal like that though.

 

For the record - neither the Leake or Kemp trade cost the seller a prospect. The Red Sox actually received prospects in the 2012 blockbuster and the Cardinals got a minor league for Leake. The Braves took back Gonzalez, Kazmir, and McCarthy for Kemp and got Charlie Culberson as a MiLer. The Blue Jays gave up not top prospects in the Jays/Marlin trade, the most notable at the time IIRC was Heccevarria or Nicollino, probably misspelled both names...They did give up Jeff Hoffman to land Tulo and Hawkins plus dump Reyes

 

I'd throw the Angels into the pool of teams that might get desperate enough this offseason

I was talking the Leake trade this year to the D’Backs. The Mariners sent Leake and $10 mil for a nothing prospect. So either you’re having to throw money in (real money or other players coming back to net off) or prospects. I don’t see us in an overly advantageous spot to be throwing money in deals either. Any money thrown in a deal is owed within 18 months, even if it’s spread out over a few years to pay a guy. FWIW.

[Deeg]

I was talking the Leake trade this year to the D’Backs. The Mariners sent Leake and $10 mil for a nothing prospect. So either you’re having to throw money in (real money or other players coming back to net off) or prospects. I don’t see us in an overly advantageous spot to be throwing money in deals either. Any money thrown in a deal is owed within 18 months, even if it’s spread out over a few years to pay a guy. FWIW.

 

I forgot about that trade. Notable that Leake had 2.5 years on his deal left and the Cardinals had sent the Mariners over money in the initial deal. I think the Cubs would have have to send some money for Heyward but would do it to free up the cap space. The one year guys like Quintana or even Chatwood maybe much less of a thing

 

To backtrack a little...I guess I could see a scenario where Quintana or much more likely Chatwood have to be paired with a prospect, but from what I remember about similar kind of trades the prospect/s might be more along the lines of Riley Thompson/Kohl Franklin/Sanders/Faustinooo/Remy/Y. Cruz/J. Patterson. There's some flexibility here - the Cubs have a logjam of pitchers between A- and A+ for next year anyway so a trade might help more than hurt plus there's further off bats (one way or another) like Giambrone, the Morels, Pinango, Verdugo, Roederer (personally don't see him as so interchangeable with Ademan) - but I just don't see the precedent in these salary dumps where the Cubs would have to deal from Hoerner/Davis/Amaya/Ademan/Marquez

 

I think Quintana (and Darvish) are probably about salary-neutral in trade value at the moment - I don't think you'd have to give up a prospect but I don't think you'd get one back. With only a year left and coming off an OK 2019 Chatwood probably costs you a B prospect to unload. But Heyward - with all those years and dollars left? That would be a huge haul of prospect talent, if you could even get someone to take him then.

[squally1313]

To repeat myself for the 87th time, Quintana was a top 30 pitcher by fWAR last year and is going to make about the same amount as Tyler Chatwood this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To repeat myself for the 87th time, Quintana was a top 30 pitcher by fWAR last year and is going to make about the same amount as Tyler Chatwood this year.

 

Less than Chatwood, even! In a world where Bumgarner is seriously trying to get a 9 figure contract and might come close, Quintana at 1/10.5 has a fair amount of surplus value.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

To repeat myself for the 87th time, Quintana was a top 30 pitcher by fWAR last year and is going to make about the same amount as Tyler Chatwood this year.

Yeah, no way in hell Quintana and Yu are "salary neutral."

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is 100% gonna be one of those deals where Theo gets a huge boner for walking everyone through the process but not actually completing anything because he doesn't get his price.

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[Cubswin11]

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Stay far away, idiots.

[Cubswin11]

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The ask is/was Mackenzie Gore, apparently

[Hairyducked Idiot]

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The ask is/was Mackenzie Gore, apparently

 

I'd lol no at that too if I were the padres, and I hate pitching prospects more than anyone.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not that Mackenzie Gore isn't good, but asking for him, and by him I mean a pitcher with 5 starts above A ball, is nearly as upsetting as trying to trade Bryant.

[Cubswin11]

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The ask is/was Mackenzie Gore, apparently

 

I'd lol no at that too if I were the padres, and I hate pitching prospects more than anyone.

I’m glad they’re aiming high. It’s also kinda peak prospect hugging that a 21 year pitcher who’s had TJ, hasn’t pitched more than 100 innings in a year (only 20 above A ball), and ran ERA/FIP in the 4s in AA is a laughable over ask for a top 2-3 catcher in baseball who’s controlled for 3 years in his sub age 30 seasons and won’t cost more than $25 million over the 3 years.

 

If Gore is too much give me Margot and Lamet. Or else just don’t trade him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Not that Mackenzie Gore isn't good, but asking for him, and by him I mean a pitcher with 5 starts above A ball, is nearly as upsetting as trying to trade Bryant.

 

A scorpion, which cannot swim, asks a frog to carry it across a river on its back. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: "I couldn't help it. It's in my nature."

[squally1313]

What does most of that even mean

[biittner77]

Glad to hear the FO is at least asking for the very best among all prospects. It's not a surprise or wrong of the Padres to shut down Gore for Contreras and I'd do dirty things like use white flour for them to say yes. This is the kind of ask I'd like to see for Contreras, ask even more for Bryant, not least because everyone knows it is a no going in and the Cubs are just doing some trolling for the lolz before zigging or zagging

 

What's the white flour for?

[jersey cubs fan]

Glad to hear the FO is at least asking for the very best among all prospects. It's not a surprise or wrong of the Padres to shut down Gore for Contreras and I'd do dirty things like use white flour for them to say yes. This is the kind of ask I'd like to see for Contreras, ask even more for Bryant, not least because everyone knows it is a no going in and the Cubs are just doing some trolling for the lolz before zigging or zagging

[Cubswin11]

Mystery Team!

 

[Brian]

It's from the Cubs made by the guy replacing bread guy, he got confused by the rumored numbers floating around and offered 8 million dollars over 300 years

[UMFan83]

Mystery Team!

 

 

It's not the White Sox because if it was they'd be shouting from the mountain tops "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE OFFERING FOR A BASEBALL PLAYER!"

[CubinNY]

Mystery Team!

 

That guy is the most worthless news spreader who ever called himself a journalist.

Edited December 11, 2019 by CubinNY

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Are we still on that Heyward and a prospect for Cueto train?

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Girardi must be excited. Terms not known yet.

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THINGS ARE HAPPENING

 

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[Derwood]

This is an exciting turn from last year, when literally nothing happened between Corbin signing and spring training