It turns out the real Yu Darvish was the friends we made in this thread

[David]

lmfao that "cubs' biggest fear" line makes me want the brewers to get him

 

sure, pal

I kinda feel the same way, let him go there and bring back Jake and still win the division by 8+ games

 

pass on jake. sign cobb in that case. hell, even with monty we'll be fine.

[Cubswin11]

lmfao that "cubs' biggest fear" line makes me want the brewers to get him

 

sure, pal

I kinda feel the same way, let him go there and bring back Jake and still win the division by 8+ games

 

pass on jake. sign cobb in that case. hell, even with monty we'll be fine.

I think it would be pretty risky and stupid to not sign one of the 3. Especially with where the market is at, if the horsefeathering Brewers are our only competition for Darvish (at an already depressed price) I don’t see why we wouldn’t go get Jake/Cobb at an even lower price with little to no competition.

[David]

I kinda feel the same way, let him go there and bring back Jake and still win the division by 8+ games

 

pass on jake. sign cobb in that case. hell, even with monty we'll be fine.

I think it would be pretty risky and stupid to not sign one of the 3. Especially with where the market is at, if the horsefeathering Brewers are our only competition for Darvish (at an already depressed price) I don’t see why we wouldn’t go get Jake/Cobb at an even lower price with little to no competition.

 

oh i'm not saying don't sign cobb and roll with monty. i'm just saying they'd be fine as is.

 

but big time pass on arrieta (and i was never nor am i one of the arrieta haters)

[treebird]

I kinda feel the same way, let him go there and bring back Jake and still win the division by 8+ games

 

pass on jake. sign cobb in that case. hell, even with monty we'll be fine.

I think it would be pretty risky and stupid to not sign one of the 3. Especially with where the market is at, if the horsefeathering Brewers are our only competition for Darvish (at an already depressed price) I don’t see why we wouldn’t go get Jake/Cobb at an even lower price with little to no competition.

 

yeah, the cubs are in a nice spot and would be favored over stl slightly if they added nothing, but it would honestly be a shame to take one of the few seasons we have with this cheap core and just roll the dice on this rotation as it currently stands. our 1-4 starters seem more dependable than most, but all pitchers are scary and we have exactly five usable starters at present. also chatwood might take a step forward and be good but it’s also not horribly unreasonable to say we might need to move him out of the rotation due to ineffectiveness by like july.

 

every chance to win is sacred! the old saying still holds true. it would be a real disappointment if we saddled what is otherwise a really good chance to win with a starting rotation with no margin for error. happily, i think that’s very unlikely. now go get darvish.

[Cubswin11]

 

pass on jake. sign cobb in that case. hell, even with monty we'll be fine.

I think it would be pretty risky and stupid to not sign one of the 3. Especially with where the market is at, if the horsefeathering Brewers are our only competition for Darvish (at an already depressed price) I don’t see why we wouldn’t go get Jake/Cobb at an even lower price with little to no competition.

 

oh i'm not saying don't sign cobb and roll with monty. i'm just saying they'd be fine as is.

 

but big time pass on arrieta (and i was never nor am i one of the arrieta haters)

Rolling with just Monty and Hellickson or something as the 5th starter scares me a bit but agree we likely could get away with it but opens up room for vulnerability and lessens the margin of error for injury/regression. I’m good with bringing Arrieta back on the right deal, he pitched really well in the 2nd half + playoffs last year. I know the stuff and underlying stats slipped but for 3/55 or 4/70 I’m completely fine with it.

[Post Count Padder]

Would it be odd or a waste of resources to go full time 6 man rotation? Or rotate Monty and Chatwood out of the 5 spot? I'm just trying to think of ways to maximize depth and help with health and injuries.

[17 Seconds]

why are we still listening to that brewers guy? he may hear stuff, but "darvish to the cubs" was clearly not meant to be him saying that they just topped the brewers offer.

[David]

why are we still listening to that brewers guy? he may hear stuff, but "darvish to the cubs" was clearly not meant to be him saying that they just topped the brewers offer.

 

because he's been spot on with everything else, including stuff that was pretty off the radar, so he obviously has information

 

if you don't wanna read it that's cool but i'm not sure why you don't see why people are interested

[17 Seconds]

why are we still listening to that brewers guy? he may hear stuff, but "darvish to the cubs" was clearly not meant to be him saying that they just topped the brewers offer.

 

because he's been spot on with everything else, including stuff that was pretty off the radar, so he obviously has information

 

if you don't wanna read it that's cool but i'm not sure why you don't see why people are interested

 

has any of the stuff he's been right about not been about the brewers? he was wrong about the one cubs thing he said he knew, whether the cubs end up with darvish or not.

[Cubswin11]

why are we still listening to that brewers guy? he may hear stuff, but "darvish to the cubs" was clearly not meant to be him saying that they just topped the brewers offer.

 

because he's been spot on with everything else, including stuff that was pretty off the radar, so he obviously has information

 

if you don't wanna read it that's cool but i'm not sure why you don't see why people are interested

 

has any of the stuff he's been right about not been about the brewers? he was wrong about the one cubs thing he said he knew, whether the cubs end up with darvish or not.

He hasn’t been wrong necessarily. He admitted he made the jump to conclusion on saying Darvish to Cubs when all he heard from his source was we substantially outbid the Brewers on him. He’s still favoring us to get him as well and said by Monday he will decide.... I don’t know if any other Cubs centric stuff he’s said and whether it was true or not.

[17 Seconds]

 

because he's been spot on with everything else, including stuff that was pretty off the radar, so he obviously has information

 

if you don't wanna read it that's cool but i'm not sure why you don't see why people are interested

 

has any of the stuff he's been right about not been about the brewers? he was wrong about the one cubs thing he said he knew, whether the cubs end up with darvish or not.

He hasn’t been wrong necessarily. He admitted he made the jump to conclusion on saying Darvish to Cubs when all he heard from his source was we substantially outbid the Brewers on him. He’s still favoring us to get him as well and said by Monday he will decide.... I don’t know if any other Cubs centric stuff he’s said and whether it was true or not.

 

i'm not saying that the stuff from him isn't interesting, but he was wrong. i don't know why he'd think that the cubs offering more than the brewers meant that darvish had decided on the cubs, but that's clearly the message he conveyed with his original post. he made a definitive statement, was wrong, and now i simply hate him forever.

[treebird]

 

has any of the stuff he's been right about not been about the brewers? he was wrong about the one cubs thing he said he knew, whether the cubs end up with darvish or not.

He hasn’t been wrong necessarily. He admitted he made the jump to conclusion on saying Darvish to Cubs when all he heard from his source was we substantially outbid the Brewers on him. He’s still favoring us to get him as well and said by Monday he will decide.... I don’t know if any other Cubs centric stuff he’s said and whether it was true or not.

 

i'm not saying that the stuff from him isn't interesting, but he was wrong. i don't know why he'd think that the cubs offering more than the brewers meant that darvish had decided on the cubs, but that's clearly the message he conveyed with his original post. he made a definitive statement, was wrong, and now i simply hate him forever.

 

i honestly had a pretty similar reaction. his explanation was lousy.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

yeah it’s been a full week since he made it sound like darvish to the Cubs was a done deal. even if it happens at this point, i don’t think he gets credit. i still believe he has connections to the Brewers and is worth listening to while also recognizing that he probably doesn’t actually have much insight as to what’s going on with the Cubs beyond what he can glean from his guy in the Brewers org.

[David]

yeah it’s been a full week since he made it sound like darvish to the Cubs was a done deal. even if it happens at this point, i don’t think he gets credit. i still believe he has connections to the Brewers and is worth listening to while also recognizing that he probably doesn’t actually have much insight as to what’s going on with the Cubs beyond what he can glean from his guy in the Brewers org.

 

i always read it that way anyway...obviously his source was within the brewers and there was never any way he knew for certain anything more than what the brewers thought.

 

doesn't make his information useless...you just have to view it through that lens.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

yeah it’s been a full week since he made it sound like darvish to the Cubs was a done deal. even if it happens at this point, i don’t think he gets credit. i still believe he has connections to the Brewers and is worth listening to while also recognizing that he probably doesn’t actually have much insight as to what’s going on with the Cubs beyond what he can glean from his guy in the Brewers org.

 

i always read it that way anyway...obviously his source was within the brewers and there was never any way he knew for certain anything more than what the brewers thought.

 

doesn't make his information useless...you just have to view it through that lens.

 

 

yeah, I guess it’s possible I was over eager to believe him. but then again, there’s not much room for interpretation here:

 

I still assure you that Darvish will be a Cub

[David]

i'm just saying...he can say it however he wants...but once it didn't come out within like (generously) 24 hours (i.e. like in a situation where the signing was truly done and darvish's agent told them they were out and it was the cubs), why the hell would the brewers really know the details of his negotiations other than what's being shared with them by darvish and his agent?

 

and the dude's source is obviously inside the brewers given the information he has had.

 

edit - this is not a defense of the dude. if after several hours of nothing coming out, you still believed this to be as firm a thing as he said, you probably should have known better given where his sources obviously are. if it was truly a done deal like he said, it wouldn't have taken more than a day to come out after he posted it. once it didn't, it was obvious that whatever this guy heard was just milwaukee's read of where the negotiations were headed.

 

there's no reason the brewers or a source within the brewers would know anything beyond their own direct interaction with darvish's camp. use your brains.

Edited January 31, 2018 by David

[17 Seconds]

it doesn't matter if he got bad info or just made some stupid leap. he pretty clearly wanted people to believe that he had information of darvish-to-cubs going down, and it wasn't true. i just don't understand the heavy defense for this random internet guy, or why we should believe he knows anything in regards to the cubs/darvish negotiations.

[David]

it doesn't matter if he got bad info or just made some stupid leap. he pretty clearly wanted people to believe that he had information of darvish-to-cubs going down, and it wasn't true. i just don't understand the heavy defense for this random internet guy, or why we should believe he knows anything in regards to the cubs/darvish negotiations.

 

defense? wtf? all i'm saying it is i would rather read his information (he is proven to be informed to some degree) than read nothing. the complaining is way stranger. just ignore it if you don't care about what he hears.

[17 Seconds]

after his weak backtracking, i just expected nsbb to be making fun of him more than analyzing his new claims.

[David]

after his weak backtracking, i just expected nsbb to be making fun of him more than analyzing his new claims.

 

i mean i think it's hilarious if the brewers think theo's biggest fear is darvish signing with milwaukee. it means they are just about as delusional about their chances as their internet fan base is.

[Cubswin11]

We all know Theo's biggest fear is the liquor store closest to his Wrigley office running out of Jager

[UMFan83]

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[Hunter]

At this point, no one is bidding anything higher. I don't see anyone able to make an offer of more years or dollars. Holding out isn't working, or he is just the most indecisive guy ever.

 

[CubinNY]

after his weak backtracking, i just expected nsbb to be making fun of him more than analyzing his new claims.

He’s their BigBird

[BigbadB]

At this point, no one is bidding anything higher. I don't see anyone able to make an offer of more years or dollars. Holding out isn't working, or he is just the most indecisive guy ever.

 

And none of this waiting is making Theo antsy. He made his offer and he's sticking to it, and it is likely still the best offer he has received. Cobb probably got his offer from Theo also, and it's likely better than anyone else is offering, but the Cubs offer to Cobb is likely pending a decision by Yu. That's the way I see this entire thing from where I'm sitting. Theo probably sugarcoated his offer to Cobb stating that Yu probably won't accept the Cubs offer since they aren't willing to go more than 4 years. Theo seems to have most of the bargaining chips (cash and a playoff caliber team), and he knows he's getting one of the 3. He's just waiting out which one it will be. Heck, it might only be down to Darvish and Cobb. There is NO mention of Jake anywhere. He turned down previous extension offers, so unless Darvish and Cobb go elsewhere, I'm continue assuming it's down to Darvish and Cobb.