Send Schwarber Down!!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Kyle Schwarber for Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances: who hangs up first?

[HendryWallet]

Kyle Schwarber for Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances: who hangs up first?

 

Yankees counter with former Cubs retreads Castro and Warren

[treebird]

I think he should give Dave Kingman a call.

 

you spelled dr kevorkian wrong

[UMFan83]

Remember when Javy came up in 2014 and after some initial success was so inexplicably bad that some of us completely gave up on him and he spent most of the next season in the minors?

 

Javy's last 130 PA of 2014: .153/.231/.229/.460, 11 BB, 52K

Schwarbers last 132 PA: .122/.235/.278/.513, 16 BB, 37K

 

Im still not admitting Schwarber needs to go to Iowa, more just shocked at how bad he's been. That run from Javy was about the worst stretch of hitting from 1 player that I've ever seen, and while Schwarber's numbers are slightly better, they are in that same range of awfulness.

[Andy]

Kyle Schwarber for Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances: who hangs up first?

The Yankees hang up before we even finish saying Judge's name

[flyseye]

Remember when Javy came up in 2014 and after some initial success was so inexplicably bad that some of us completely gave up on him and he spent most of the next season in the minors?

 

Javy's last 130 PA of 2014: .153/.231/.229/.460, 11 BB, 52K

Schwarbers last 132 PA: .122/.235/.278/.513, 16 BB, 37K

 

Im still not admitting Schwarber needs to go to Iowa, more just shocked at how bad he's been. That run from Javy was about the worst stretch of hitting from 1 player that I've ever seen, and while Schwarber's numbers are slightly better, they are in that same range of awfulness.

 

Javy did that during a year that everyone knew the Cubs would suck making it somewhat easier to deal with. They are actually supposed to be good this year. Totally different set of circumstances. I hate to admit it, being a big Schwarber fan, but I am guessing he is very close to a trip to Iowa.

[Cubswin11]

They should Dodger him and just make up an injury, general knee soreness or some horsefeathers, and put him on the 10 day DL to get a break and take a step back. If anything. Don't know what going to Iowa is gonna do unless there's something mechanical they want fixed.

[HendryWallet]

From my untrained eye he seems to be jumping at the ball or in other words not staying back long enough. I think staying in Iowa until after the All star break is what he needs. Plus he could catch more down there which is his preferred position and might rejuvenate him a little. Too good of a hitter to be struggling like this

[VVMattVV]

From my untrained eye he seems to be jumping at the ball or in other words not staying back long enough. I think staying in Iowa until after the All star break is what he needs. Plus he could catch more down there which is his preferred position and might rejuvenate him a little. Too good of a hitter to be struggling like this

 

You want to send him down for over a month?

[Cubswin11]

From my untrained eye he seems to be jumping at the ball or in other words not staying back long enough. I think staying in Iowa until after the All star break is what he needs. Plus he could catch more down there which is his preferred position and might rejuvenate him a little. Too good of a hitter to be struggling like this

Unless you think there's some major mechanical flaw that needs fixing or it would benefit him mentally to face shitty pitching to feast on I don't know what spending that much time in Iowa will do. He should stay up and work through it, IMO, unless one of those things I mentioned they feel he needs. Maybe his playing time should be reduced a bit and he should be doing more work on the side but it should essentially be a sink or swim thing with him. Either he'll work through this/have some luck even out and will be fine or he just sucks and we move on. If he just can't hit low-mid 90s fastballs in the zone sending him to Iowa isn't going to help anything.

[biittner77]

From my untrained eye he seems to be jumping at the ball or in other words not staying back long enough. I think staying in Iowa until after the All star break is what he needs. Plus he could catch more down there which is his preferred position and might rejuvenate him a little. Too good of a hitter to be struggling like this

Unless you think there's some major mechanical flaw that needs fixing or it would benefit him mentally to face horsefeathers pitching to feast on I don't know what spending that much time in Iowa will do. He should stay up and work through it, IMO, unless one of those things I mentioned they feel he needs. Maybe his playing time should be reduced a bit and he should be doing more work on the side but it should essentially be a sink or swim thing with him. Either he'll work through this/have some luck even out and will be fine or he just sucks and we move on. If he just can't hit low-mid 90s fastballs in the zone sending him to Iowa isn't going to help anything.

 

I guess the idea of letting him get like 30-40 PAs over the course of a week and a half isn't completely without merit. Getting regular reps in games that don't matter wouldn't really hurt anything in the long run.

 

edit: to clarify, I'm not saying Schwarber should be sent down, just that it's not really going to make much of a difference.

[We Got The Whole 9]

He probably needs to flatten his swing a little bit. Uppercut swings stay in the zone for a short period of time and leave little room for error. The top of the zone is a huge weakness for him and pitchers aren't gonna stop attacking it if he can't do damage there. The prevailing thought is that you'd prefer players work on a mechanical adjustment in environments of low pressure. You don't necessarily focus on the fact that it's against inferior competition.

[cubsclapp]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kyle-schwarber-is-not-bad-at-baseball/

[soccer10k]

Kyle Schwarber for Aaron Judge and Dellin Betances: who hangs up first?

The Yankees hang up before we even finish saying Judge's name

 

Cubs hang up first because they tire of Cashman laughing so maniacally that he can't even hang up the phone.

[imb]

i dont give a horsefeathers what they do with him, just get his fat ass out of the lineup for a little bit

[davell]

i dont give a horsefeathers what they do with him, just get his fat ass out of the lineup for a little bit

 

Big boned.

[Agony and Ivy]

He probably needs to flatten his swing a little bit. Uppercut swings stay in the zone for a short period of time and leave little room for error. The top of the zone is a huge weakness for him and pitchers aren't gonna stop attacking it if he can't do damage there. The prevailing thought is that you'd prefer players work on a mechanical adjustment in environments of low pressure. You don't necessarily focus on the fact that it's against inferior competition.

 

Except uppercut swings stay in the zone longer but whatever, I guess Ted Williams could be wrong.

[Cubfanintheknow]

I think we should give him one more at-bat to see what he can do. :wink:

[We Got The Whole 9]

He probably needs to flatten his swing a little bit. Uppercut swings stay in the zone for a short period of time and leave little room for error. The top of the zone is a huge weakness for him and pitchers aren't gonna stop attacking it if he can't do damage there. The prevailing thought is that you'd prefer players work on a mechanical adjustment in environments of low pressure. You don't necessarily focus on the fact that it's against inferior competition.

 

Except uppercut swings stay in the zone longer but whatever, I guess Ted Williams could be wrong.

 

I was mostly going off of what KB said his motivation was last year for flattening his path a little. Uppercuts are great. But they can be too extreme. I feel like that is what is happening with Kyle at times. KB specifically said that if his bat angle is too steep then it won't stay in the zone long and his margin for error is reduced. I should have been more clear with what I meant.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

showmanship. hit that high note and get to Des Moines

[Agony and Ivy]

He probably needs to flatten his swing a little bit. Uppercut swings stay in the zone for a short period of time and leave little room for error. The top of the zone is a huge weakness for him and pitchers aren't gonna stop attacking it if he can't do damage there. The prevailing thought is that you'd prefer players work on a mechanical adjustment in environments of low pressure. You don't necessarily focus on the fact that it's against inferior competition.

 

Except uppercut swings stay in the zone longer but whatever, I guess Ted Williams could be wrong.

 

I was mostly going off of what KB said his motivation was last year for flattening his path a little. Uppercuts are great. But they can be too extreme. I feel like that is what is happening with Kyle at times. KB specifically said that if his bat angle is too steep then it won't stay in the zone long and his margin for error is reduced. I should have been more clear with what I meant.

 

Bryant flattened out his bat angle by 2-3 degrees to help cover the outside corner. Unless you have data on Schwarber's bat angle through the zone, that's a blind criticism. He's not getting beat because his bat angle is too extreme, he's getting beat because he's guessing on every pitch right now. I can't say if that's something that can get straightened out in Iowa or not, but I think I'd rather he work with big league coaching and fight through this mental horsefeathers he's dealing with at the plate.

[We Got The Whole 9]

 

Except uppercut swings stay in the zone longer but whatever, I guess Ted Williams could be wrong.

 

I was mostly going off of what KB said his motivation was last year for flattening his path a little. Uppercuts are great. But they can be too extreme. I feel like that is what is happening with Kyle at times. KB specifically said that if his bat angle is too steep then it won't stay in the zone long and his margin for error is reduced. I should have been more clear with what I meant.

 

Bryant flattened out his bat angle by 2-3 degrees to help cover the outside corner. Unless you have data on Schwarber's bat angle through the zone, that's a blind criticism. He's not getting beat because his bat angle is too extreme, he's getting beat because he's guessing on every pitch right now. I can't say if that's something that can get straightened out in Iowa or not, but I think I'd rather he work with big league coaching and fight through this mental horsefeathers he's dealing with at the plate.

 

Schwarber's descent has had stages. It wasn't always this blind panic hacking that it's been lately. It started when his exit velocity dropped off a cliff and gradually it became this mental mess. But his exit velocity loss is when I first started to feel like something must be off mechanically. It's not just the whiffs but also the exorbitant amount of pop flies. He has not been getting "through the ball", as they say, from what I see. A basic tenet of Williams' teachings is that the bat head should stay on the same plane as the pitch so as to create a larger impact zone. Just feels like Kyle has struggled to maintain that.

 

Despite his struggles and that I have said I don't think a demotion would be the worst thing in the world for him at this point, I still haven't been nearly as critical of him as many others have. I'm confident that he can get straightened out. But the longer slumps linger, the more the mind cracks. It's a very delicate situation and sometimes simply getting that mental break can be helpful.

[PetermanRealityTour]

showmanship. hit that high note and get to Des Moines

 

[Cubswin11]

On GRB there is a strong contingent that is currently saying they wouldn't trade Trevor Rosenthal for Schwarber. LOL

[mul21]

On GRB there is a strong contingent that is currently saying they wouldn't trade Trevor Rosenthal for Schwarber. LOL

 

I saw another discussion elsewhere saying they wouldn't do Lynn for Schwarber based mostly around the poor performance so far this season.