Unbelievable: Marlins' Jose Fernandez dies in boating accident

[Derwood]

Oh man

[Pushfrog98]

Just saw this. Terrible. I don't want to jump to conclusions, though. Maybe he accidentally ingested it during a rendezvous with an escort?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Well, there goes that Cy Young chance.

 

And most of my sympathy. Way to go out, dumb ass.

 

Not that this was your point, but those awards are voted on right after the regular season so he might still get it.

[sneakypower]

i hate that this is probably OT situation where he's actually villainous

[bcl412]

Why the judgement against him if he wasn't driving?

[Derwood]

Why the judgement against him if he wasn't driving?

 

Well, lets see...

[bcl412]

Why the judgement against him if he wasn't driving?

 

Well, lets see...

 

I thought it was already declared that he wasn't driving.

[Derwood]

Why the judgement against him if he wasn't driving?

 

Well, lets see...

 

I thought it was already declared that he wasn't driving.

 

So as long as we wasn't driving, recreational cocaine use at 3am mid season is cool?

[bcl412]

 

Well, lets see...

 

I thought it was already declared that he wasn't driving.

 

So as long as we wasn't driving, recreational cocaine use at 3am mid season is cool?

 

It's not a good life choice but I don't see how it makes his death any less deserving of sympathy really.

[Derwood]

Well reports I'm reading today say they can't confirm who was driving

[17 Seconds]

is boating drunk really comparable to driving drunk? i don't know anything about boating, but it seems like the danger to others would be minuscule compared to the danger a drunk driver poses to other drivers.

[davell]

is boating drunk really comparable to driving drunk? i don't know anything about boating, but it seems like the danger to others would be minuscule compared to the danger a drunk driver poses to other drivers.

 

Its a fair question. I boat drove drunk many times in my 20s. Its not right to do obviously, but traffic-wise, the amount of space you've got, it IS much easier to navigate. In the day. Knowing the water you're in helps too. Plus, you SHOULD have a natural cautious tendency that slows you down anyway, on some level.

 

Nighttime? Man, its a different story. I don't care how often you've been in an area, you can't go blindfolded thru it. And those guys were NOT even familiar with that waterway. Fast speeds, at night, not knowing the layout? It'd take true idiots to be doing that.....

[CubinNY]

There is a buoy marking the route not far from the jetty. Whomever was driving didn't have or wasn't using basic boating knowledge.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

upon hearing the news, the Cardinals have requisitioned JF16 patches for the 2017 season

[Andy]

I recant what I said about Carlos Martinez honoring Taveras alongside him, I guess

[soccer10k]

 

I thought it was already declared that he wasn't driving.

 

So as long as we wasn't driving, recreational cocaine use at 3am mid season is cool?

 

It's not a good life choice but I don't see how it makes his death any less deserving of sympathy really.

 

They said they don't know who was driving when the boat crashed but even if he wasn't driving at that time, I'd bet anything he was driving at some point in the night. And if not that night, then likely countless other times as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

is boating drunk really comparable to driving drunk? i don't know anything about boating, but it seems like the danger to others would be minuscule compared to the danger a drunk driver poses to other drivers.

There's a difference between day boating and night boating. Even sober night boating is very dangerous. Buoys and other markings are very tough to find. Add speed to the occasion and you are asking for trouble. Add cocaine and alcohol and you have a death wish, which probably explains all the people trying to talk him and others out of going. That was probably the routine, which is akin to Russian roulette.

[BigSlick]

I dunno, these revelations don't change anything at all in terms of how much of a tragedy I think this is

[seanimal]

it's totally nuts that baseball requires such a fragile skill set yet there's fat dudes, coke heads, stoners, etc. amongst the top tier of players

[Thusly Boned]

I dunno, these revelations don't change anything at all in terms of how much of a tragedy I think this is

 

I think it shifts things from being an accident or misfortune into being something that he did to himself. Does it make it less tragic? No. But it does drains almost all of the sympathetic feelings for him from it. Instead of "how cruel for that to happen to him and his family", it's "his selfishness really cost his family". Now it's just another cautionary tale of reckless stupidity.

 

Maybe that makes it more tragic, I don't know.

[jersey cubs fan]

it's totally nuts that baseball requires such a fragile skill set yet there's fat dudes, coke heads, stoners, etc. amongst the top tier of players

Really?

 

Every group of top level performers is littered with drugs.

[bcl412]

I dunno, these revelations don't change anything at all in terms of how much of a tragedy I think this is

 

I think it shifts things from being an accident or misfortune into being something that he did to himself. Does it make it less tragic? No. But it does drains almost all of the sympathetic feelings for him from it. Instead of "how cruel for that to happen to him and his family", it's "his selfishness really cost his family". Now it's just another cautionary tale of reckless stupidity.

 

Maybe that makes it more tragic, I don't know.

A lot of times drug use is associated with something going on inside the head of a time and since I don't know if he has issues mentally I can't judge a man for that and the dude still seemed pretty cool so it still sucks. And he's still a great talent who we won't see anymore and that sucks too. There are a lot of scenarios where I don't care about coke in the system and few where I do.

[Bull]

I dunno, these revelations don't change anything at all in terms of how much of a tragedy I think this is

 

I think it shifts things from being an accident or misfortune into being something that he did to himself. Does it make it less tragic? No. But it does drains almost all of the sympathetic feelings for him from it. Instead of "how cruel for that to happen to him and his family", it's "his selfishness really cost his family". Now it's just another cautionary tale of reckless stupidity.

 

Maybe that makes it more tragic, I don't know.

A lot of times drug use is associated with something going on inside the head of a time and since I don't know if he has issues mentally I can't judge a man for that and the dude still seemed pretty cool so it still sucks. And he's still a great talent who we won't see anymore and that sucks too. There are a lot of scenarios where I don't care about coke in the system and few where I do.

I can't understand this viewpoint, and it is becoming more and more common.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Bull

[seanimal]

it's totally nuts that baseball requires such a fragile skill set yet there's fat dudes, coke heads, stoners, etc. amongst the top tier of players

Really?

 

Every group of top level performers is littered with drugs.

 

alright, slow down with your broad strokes there wolf of wall street. i doubt the top high school math teacher in new hampshire is mixing uppers and downers to keep level during a grueling section on polynomial functions

 

anyway, it's not the presence of the drugs that surprise me; anyone who has ever known a pro or semi pro baseball player knows that they're collectively responsible for like 20% of the country's total consumption of weed. but that doesn't make it any less nuts that someone can be successful doing complex baseball things while being fat as hell or nursing a blow habit or whatever

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I think it shifts things from being an accident or misfortune into being something that he did to himself. Does it make it less tragic? No. But it does drains almost all of the sympathetic feelings for him from it. Instead of "how cruel for that to happen to him and his family", it's "his selfishness really cost his family". Now it's just another cautionary tale of reckless stupidity.

 

Maybe that makes it more tragic, I don't know.

A lot of times drug use is associated with something going on inside the head of a time and since I don't know if he has issues mentally I can't judge a man for that and the dude still seemed pretty cool so it still sucks. And he's still a great talent who we won't see anymore and that sucks too. There are a lot of scenarios where I don't care about coke in the system and few where I do.

I can't understand this viewpoint, and it is becoming more and more common. Someone help me.

 

Using cocaine does not make you a bad person who deserves to have bad things happen to them.

 

A lot of people will hear "coke in his system" and automatically write somebody off as garbage who deserved whatever happened.

 

Somebody can be shot and killed and if it comes back that they had a drug in their system people will blame the person who got shot for getting shot because a lot of people are dumb.