Unbelievable: Marlins' Jose Fernandez dies in boating accident

[jersey cubs fan]

it's totally nuts that baseball requires such a fragile skill set yet there's fat dudes, coke heads, stoners, etc. amongst the top tier of players

Really?

 

Every group of top level performers is littered with drugs.

 

alright, slow down with your broad strokes there wolf of wall street. i doubt the top high school math teacher in new hampshire is mixing uppers and downers to keep level during a grueling section on polynomial functions

 

anyway, it's not the presence of the drugs that surprise me; anyone who has ever known a pro or semi pro baseball player knows that they're collectively responsible for like 20% of the country's total consumption of weed. but that doesn't make it any less nuts that someone can be successful doing complex baseball things while being fat as hell or nursing a blow habit or whatever

 

I just don't see what's so nuts about it, especially when we've seen the story repeated time and time again.

[Tim]

A lot of times drug use is associated with something going on inside the head of a time and since I don't know if he has issues mentally I can't judge a man for that and the dude still seemed pretty cool so it still sucks. And he's still a great talent who we won't see anymore and that sucks too. There are a lot of scenarios where I don't care about coke in the system and few where I do.

I can't understand this viewpoint, and it is becoming more and more common. Someone help me.

 

Using cocaine does not make you a bad person who deserves to have bad things happen to them.

 

A lot of people will hear "coke in his system" and automatically write somebody off as garbage who deserved whatever happened.

 

Somebody can be shot and killed and if it comes back that they had a drug in their system people will blame the person who got shot for getting shot because a lot of people are dumb.

This is true.

 

But it is also true that doing coke, being drunk and speedboating near the shore at night is incredibly stupid and dangerous to their own group and anyone else who happens to be nearby. It might not be quite the same as driving your car while being coked up and drunk because of lower risk to others, but it is pretty close. I don't look at him as a bad person for being drunk. I don't look at him as being a bad person for doing coke - though he may have had a problem that needed treatment there if he's doing it mid-season. But the combination of activities causes me to look at him very much the same as Taveras.

[Bull]

A lot of times drug use is associated with something going on inside the head of a time and since I don't know if he has issues mentally I can't judge a man for that and the dude still seemed pretty cool so it still sucks. And he's still a great talent who we won't see anymore and that sucks too. There are a lot of scenarios where I don't care about coke in the system and few where I do.

I can't understand this viewpoint, and it is becoming more and more common. Someone help me.

 

Using cocaine does not make you a bad person who deserves to have bad things happen to them.

 

A lot of people will hear "coke in his system" and automatically write somebody off as garbage who deserved whatever happened.

 

Somebody can be shot and killed and if it comes back that they had a drug in their system people will blame the person who got shot for getting shot because a lot of people are dumb.

 

I'm not saying I think "he deserved it". I'm saying he was handed much better cards than 99% of people on this earth and he took it for granted. And like a large percentage of 24 year olds, he believed himself to indestructible.

 

Its a shame that a young life was cut short, but I'll admit that I don't feel the same way about as a I do about someone doing nothing wrong.

[jersey cubs fan]

But it is also true that doing coke, being drunk and speedboating near the shore at night is incredibly stupid and dangerous to their own group and anyone else who happens to be nearby.

 

Oh absolutely, it's freaking insane reckless and dickish behavior more typical of a Cardinals player.

 

I was more answering the "can't understand the viewpoint" party of the question.

[seanimal]

I can't understand this viewpoint, and it is becoming more and more common. Someone help me.

 

Using cocaine does not make you a bad person who deserves to have bad things happen to them.

 

A lot of people will hear "coke in his system" and automatically write somebody off as garbage who deserved whatever happened.

 

Somebody can be shot and killed and if it comes back that they had a drug in their system people will blame the person who got shot for getting shot because a lot of people are dumb.

This is true.

 

But it is also true that doing coke, being drunk and speedboating near the shore at night is incredibly stupid and dangerous to their own group and anyone else who happens to be nearby. It might not be quite the same as driving your car while being coked up and drunk because of lower risk to others, but it is pretty close. I don't look at him as a bad person for being drunk. I don't look at him as being a bad person for doing coke - though he may have had a problem that needed treatment there if he's doing it mid-season. But the combination of activities causes me to look at him very much the same as Taveras.

 

wouldn't it actually be more troubling if he was only coking it up during the offseason? Self-medicating during the season to try to manage the grueling ups and downs of the season is understandable. A player replacing the high of competition with coke, et al during the offseason is Ken Caminiti territory. Eventually it's all offseason for these guys.

 

But also, let's not condemn JF as an addict. He had coke in his system that night. As far as we know, he never tested positive in any MLB random tests.

 

Edit: not that you were suggesting any of that, Tim

[Tim]

I was just thinking that if you're willing to take the risk on a random drug test during the season, it is possible that there is a deeper problem than recreational use during the off season.

 

Obviously, impossible to know from the outside.

[davell]

I know absolutely nothing about drugs. So, at the risk of sounding moronic.....Isn't it conceivable that coke could help your performance?

[jersey cubs fan]

I know absolutely nothing about drugs. So, at the risk of sounding moronic.....Isn't it conceivable that coke could help your performance?

The first act of every 80's movie

[CubinNY]

Supposedly Doc Ellis pitched a no hitter on LSD.

 

No, coke does not help a pitcher play better.

[Clem Fandango]

I mean if he was driving the boat, in all honesty, the alcohol probably was the worse drug to have in his system, and I think most everyone expected that to be in play.

 

The cocaine is more shocking to me because of mlb drug testing and his willingness to chance it with cocaine. I mean if the accident never happened and he got tested the next day and then we got reports of Jose Fernandez: Cocaine User, that'd be crushing to his public image. It surprises me he'd be careless with his career like that, not just his life.

Edited November 1, 2016 by The Logan

[jersey cubs fan]

I mean if he was driving the boat, in all honesty, the alcohol probably was the worse drug to have in his system, and I think most everyone expected that to be in play.

driving at night with speed playing a big issue the cocaine could easily have tipped the scales from relatively cautious to recklessness.

[Clem Fandango]

I mean if he was driving the boat, in all honesty, the alcohol probably was the worse drug to have in his system, and I think most everyone expected that to be in play.

driving at night with speed playing a big issue the cocaine could easily have tipped the scales from relatively cautious to recklessness.

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

[jersey cubs fan]

I mean if he was driving the boat, in all honesty, the alcohol probably was the worse drug to have in his system, and I think most everyone expected that to be in play.

driving at night with speed playing a big issue the cocaine could easily have tipped the scales from relatively cautious to recklessness.

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

how the horsefeathers could just being drunk but not coke be more dangerous? That is ridiculous.

[Clem Fandango]

Depends on how much alcohol was in his system.

[OleMissCub]

I know absolutely nothing about drugs. So, at the risk of sounding moronic.....Isn't it conceivable that coke could help your performance?

 

I'm not sure if it would help, but I don't think it would be a massive detriment.

[Sammy Sofa]

I dunno, these revelations don't change anything at all in terms of how much of a tragedy I think this is

 

I think it shifts things from being an accident or misfortune into being something that he did to himself. Does it make it less tragic? No. But it does drains almost all of the sympathetic feelings for him from it. Instead of "how cruel for that to happen to him and his family", it's "his selfishness really cost his family". Now it's just another cautionary tale of reckless stupidity.

 

Nailed it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

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[philosophizer75]

He would have to be blowing lines of cocaine right before or during gametime for it to really have any impact on his on field performance.

[UMFan83]

Supposedly Doc Ellis pitched a no hitter on LSD.

 

No, coke does not help a pitcher play better.

 

I think hitters loved taking uppers before they were banned because it helped them stay focused with high energy levels during the long grind of daily baseball for 6 months. I am not sure how much it helps a pitcher going every 5 days.

[imb]

driving at night with speed playing a big issue the cocaine could easily have tipped the scales from relatively cautious to recklessness.

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

how the horsefeathers could just being drunk but not coke be more dangerous? That is ridiculous.

 

he called getting drunk "being absolutely knackered" so i think we can just go ahead and ignore his perspective on this

 

"what does it feel like to be drunk and on coke at the same time?"

 

"oh its uhh feels like big bags of sand"

[SRQCub]

I know absolutely nothing about drugs. So, at the risk of sounding moronic.....Isn't it conceivable that coke could help your performance?

 

I don't think it would help a baseball player in the least.

 

Could it conceivably help a football player? Possibly. I've known a handful of guys who played in college, and all have stories of players who used coke on gamedays because of the intensity it created.

[Sammy Sofa]

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[Gmoney08]

driving at night with speed playing a big issue the cocaine could easily have tipped the scales from relatively cautious to recklessness.

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

how the horsefeathers could just being drunk but not coke be more dangerous? That is ridiculous.

 

Ive never done coke but know people who have. From what I understand coke can sober you up from the alcohol, focus you and end your drunken symptoms.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

how the horsefeathers could just being drunk but not coke be more dangerous? That is ridiculous.

 

Ive never done coke but know people who have. From what I understand coke can sober you up from the alcohol, focus you and end your drunken symptoms.

 

This sounds like something a drunk cocaine user would say.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Potentially being absolutely knackered without coke is still probably just as dangerous, if not more. Not saying the coke wasn't playing a part, but we all know the dangers of what alcohol can do on its own and its not pretty.

how the horsefeathers could just being drunk but not coke be more dangerous? That is ridiculous.

 

Ive never done coke but know people who have. From what I understand coke can sober you up from the alcohol, focus you and end your drunken symptoms.

Coke can sober you up.

 

 

Should be a trump campaign slogan.