Schwarber: Fully torn ACL and LCL. Out for 172 meaningless games.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I have concerns about Schwarber playing including re-injury and ineffectiveness. But the point of debate is over, he is on the roster. Lets see how Maddon uses him, and, hope for the best. Maybe everything will turn out ok soccer

[USSoccer]

 

it's baseball, so, to be honest, i don't think there's a particularly wide chasm between either of those possibilities. and a whole lot of other good ones in between.

 

Hell, if I'm wrong, that means great things are happening and it'll be awesome, but I just have a hard time believing he's going to be any good right now.

 

Maybe I severely underrate Schwarber as a hitter or something; I'm just not nearly as hype as pretty much everyone else here. I don't get it.

 

good point, we should DH w/soler instead, who is guaranteed to be bad

 

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"The Cubs have Schwarber available, so why wouldn’t they use him? Because he’s rusty? Maybe his bat is just un-tired. Probably didn’t think of that."

 

that's an awesome line from that Brisbee article lol. he's great

 

 

I'd have assumed they'd DH Contreras and start Montero or Ross.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

USSoccer is just looking out for everyone, guys. I mean, how awful would it be if the Cubs won a World Series but Schwarber struggled the whole time? It would ruin the whole thing. #temperexpectations

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. You hit the nail on the head. Excellent work.

 

Essentially you are. What does it matter if everyone but you hopes for great or even good things from Schwarber and gets let down? As long as we win the World Series no one is going to care.

Edited October 25, 2016 by JennieGarthAlgar

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Hell, if I'm wrong, that means great things are happening and it'll be awesome, but I just have a hard time believing he's going to be any good right now.

 

Maybe I severely underrate Schwarber as a hitter or something; I'm just not nearly as hype as pretty much everyone else here. I don't get it.

 

good point, we should DH w/soler instead, who is guaranteed to be bad

 

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"The Cubs have Schwarber available, so why wouldn’t they use him? Because he’s rusty? Maybe his bat is just un-tired. Probably didn’t think of that."

 

that's an awesome line from that Brisbee article lol. he's great

 

 

I'd have assumed they'd DH Contreras and start Montero or Ross.

 

maybe they will

[BigSlick]

Jesus.

 

I hope you guys aren't blind to the fact that he's probably going to struggle, at least in the first few ABs against, you know, actual pitching.

okay we will be sure to stop being excited

 

thanks for reminder

 

Classy as always.

you're the one thats trying to dump a bucket of water all over the thread, dude

[Agony and Ivy]

I have concerns about Schwarber playing including re-injury and ineffectiveness. But the point of debate is over, he is on the roster. Lets see how Maddon uses him, and, hope for the best. Maybe everything will turn out ok soccer

 

Everyone that plays baseball has the risk of injury, they wouldn't have brought him back if some recurrence was a fear. Like not even a .01% chance. Derrick Rose has horsefeathering ruined Chicago fans and turned them all into injury ninnies.

[mul21]

Baseball always does well when there are a few players who look like the personification of a long home run that destroys the windshield of a Mazda in the parking lot.

[BigSlick]

Schwarber being on the roster is like the definition of fun and a cinderalla story. Odds are he doesn't do anything special during the World Series because the odds are against any player doing anything special. But it feels so good because this dude was so good last year and had to tough out a rough injury almost the entire year. And he gets to come back! That never happens!

 

Hating it is like, totally alien to me

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Honestly, no one knows what Schwarber will bring, but he has been working his ass off to get where he is. The DH opportunity is the only reason this happens and with the AL having home field, there's no need for Rob Z. There's just no argument that he shouldn't be in this lineup against RH starters with a career .936 OPS against them. Hobbled or not, you put the bat / threat there.

 

Given the way Francona manages his staff, I expect Contreras or Soler will be hitting for Schwarb by the 6th or 7th inning when Miller comes in. So, we are looking at 2-3 AB's per game in 1/2 and maybe a PH appearance in Chicago against Allen or Shaw if the situation fits.

[UMFan83]

Schwarber might not dong a bunch of times, but he's a good bat to have for several reasons:

 

1) The Indians have 2 lefties on their entire pitching staff, both in the pen. In terms of matchups, adding a left handed power bat is a good thing

2) Schwarber is good at pitch selection and taking a walk when needed. Even if he isn't hitting well, there is value there, which is important because.....

3) The Indians will absolutely pitch Schwarber differently than someone like Soler or LaStella or whoever because of his power profile. Yes they know he has about a week of live hitting, but they also know his prodigious power. If he comes up in a big spot after Miller has been used, they are going to pitch to Schwarber more carefully than they would any other option for the Cubs. Even if he isn't hitting horsefeathers, he is smart enough to work the count and either take a walk, or put himself in a favorable hitting situation that even a rusty hitter can take advantage of.

 

So yes even a rusty Schwarber brings significant value to the Cubs lineup IMO. If he looks completely lost for 2 games, then fine relegate him to PHing the rest of the series. It's absolutely worth the risk IMO, especially with the way Soler has looked lately (who I'm assuming would be the other option at DH)

[imb]

 

Hell, if I'm wrong, that means great things are happening and it'll be awesome, but I just have a hard time believing he's going to be any good right now.

 

Maybe I severely underrate Schwarber as a hitter or something; I'm just not nearly as hype as pretty much everyone else here. I don't get it.

 

good point, we should DH w/soler instead, who is guaranteed to be bad

 

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"The Cubs have Schwarber available, so why wouldn’t they use him? Because he’s rusty? Maybe his bat is just un-tired. Probably didn’t think of that."

 

that's an awesome line from that Brisbee article lol. he's great

 

 

I'd have assumed they'd DH Contreras and start Montero or Ross.

 

Montero and Ross, a couple of big bats for sure

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Jesus.

 

I hope you guys aren't blind to the fact that he's probably going to struggle, at least in the first few ABs against, you know, actual pitching.

Do you know who Kyle Schwarber is?!

 

Yeah, he's a guy who was medically cleared to hit but not play the field and has had his knee reconstructed 6 months ago, and had a handful of ABs in AZ against high-ceiling, lower level pitching.

 

Unless you completely believe he's a generationally great hitter, he's not going to step in after that long of a layoff and be crushing the ball against major league pitching of the Indians' caliber, and I don't particularly give a horsefeathers how unpopular that opinion is.

A generationally great hitter could struggle for two ABs even if he had been playing for 900 straight days. You aren't saying anything all of us don't already know. ...but he is totally going to dong, and immediately, because Kyle Schwarber.

[Agony and Ivy]

Schwarber might not dong a bunch of times, but he's a good bat to have for several reasons:

 

1) The Indians have 2 lefties on their entire pitching staff, both in the pen. In terms of matchups, adding a left handed power bat is a good thing

2) Schwarber is good at pitch selection and taking a walk when needed. Even if he isn't hitting well, there is value there, which is important because.....

3) The Indians will absolutely pitch Schwarber differently than someone like Soler or LaStella or whoever because of his power profile. Yes they know he has about a week of live hitting, but they also know his prodigious power. If he comes up in a big spot after Miller has been used, they are going to pitch to Schwarber more carefully than they would any other option for the Cubs. Even if he isn't hitting horsefeathers, he is smart enough to work the count and either take a walk, or put himself in a favorable hitting situation that even a rusty hitter can take advantage of.

 

So yes even a rusty Schwarber brings significant value to the Cubs lineup IMO. If he looks completely lost for 2 games, then fine relegate him to PHing the rest of the series. It's absolutely worth the risk IMO, especially with the way Soler has looked lately (who I'm assuming would be the other option at DH)

 

But what if it doesn't work out? All that surrounds us is death and decay.

[USSoccer]

Holy lord, whatever. I didn't realize expressing doubt he's going to be useful would be such a horrifying line of thought. My bad.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Holy lord, whatever. I didn't realize expressing doubt he's going to be useful would be such a horrifying line of thought. My bad.

 

But thats not really what you did.

[USSoccer]

Holy lord, whatever. I didn't realize expressing doubt he's going to be useful would be such a horrifying line of thought. My bad.

 

But thats not really what you did.

 

Yeah, it is. I also said that people might want to pump the brakes on him being some sort of magical beast of destruction but I get that reading is a difficult skill to master.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

"Jesus." "Holy Lord." There is but one God, and his name is Kyle Schwarber.

[Fro]

Given the way Francona manages his staff, I expect Contreras or Soler will be hitting for Schwarb by the 6th or 7th inning when Miller comes in. So, we are looking at 2-3 AB's per game in 1/2 and maybe a PH appearance in Chicago against Allen or Shaw if the situation fits.

 

I trust Schwarber more to make contact against Miller then Soler.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Holy lord, whatever. I didn't realize expressing doubt he's going to be useful would be such a horrifying line of thought. My bad.

 

But thats not really what you did.

 

Yeah, it is. I also said that people might want to pump the brakes on him being some sort of magical beast of destruction but I get that reading is a difficult skill to master.

 

You call it "expressing doubt" I call it "talking down to Cubs fans on a Cubs message board on the morning of Game 1 of the World Series and calling them "blind" for being too excited"

 

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

#temperexpectations

Edited October 25, 2016 by JennieGarthAlgar

[imb]

everyone is fully aware that Kyle Schwarber might not exactly be hot fire when he steps to the plate and this might not work at all. But no one cares right now because it's fun as horsefeathers that KYLE horsefeathering SCHWARBER IS GONNA BE AT THE PLATE, THAT'S INSANELY BAD ASS. ITS THE THUGGISH RUGGISH BONE FOR GODS SAKES

[Agony and Ivy]

Holy lord, whatever. I didn't realize expressing doubt he's going to be useful would be such a horrifying line of thought. My bad.

 

But thats not really what you did.

 

Yeah, it is. I also said that people might want to pump the brakes on him being some sort of magical beast of destruction but I get that reading is a difficult skill to master.

 

Nope you went full on viagra fueled doom boner. Do you honestly think we're too stupid to not realize the odds he does something amazing are slim? It's horsefeathering baseball and the odds something awesome happening in a given at bat are slim.

 

You also have no clue about the hitting regiment he's been going through and what timing as a Major League hitter actually means. Then you got defensive and self-righteous about how nobody understands how hard hitting a baseball is after coming off an injury and now you're insufferable. I have a feeling you're going to feel so good about yourself if he goes 0 for 4 with 3 Ks because you'll feel it validated you trying to be a wet blanket. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the news. This is pretty incredible and sports shock us all the [expletive] time.

[apete6]

Given the way Francona manages his staff, I expect Contreras or Soler will be hitting for Schwarb by the 6th or 7th inning when Miller comes in. So, we are looking at 2-3 AB's per game in 1/2 and maybe a PH appearance in Chicago against Allen or Shaw if the situation fits.

 

I trust Schwarber more to make contact against Miller then Soler.

 

Yep. The only way Schwarber comes out of the game as a DH is if he looks like absolute trash up there (doubtful) or for a pinch runner in a mid-late game situation. It's going to be a tough call if, say, he doubles in a middle inning like the 6th in a close game, but they'll probably run for him there.

[USSoccer]

 

But thats not really what you did.

 

Yeah, it is. I also said that people might want to pump the brakes on him being some sort of magical beast of destruction but I get that reading is a difficult skill to master.

 

Nope you went full on viagra fueled doom boner. Do you honestly think we're too stupid to not realize the odds he does something amazing are slim? It's [expletive] baseball and the odds something awesome happening in a given at bat are slim.

 

You also have no clue about the hitting regiment he's been going through and what timing as a Major League hitter actually means. Then you got defensive and self-righteous about how nobody understands how hard hitting a baseball is after coming off an injury and now you're insufferable. I have a feeling you're going to feel so good about yourself if he goes 0 for 4 with 3 Ks because you'll feel it validated you trying to be a wet blanket. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the news. This is pretty incredible and sports shock us all the [expletive] time.

 

You got me pegged, that's for sure.

[imb]

if there's one thing this front office has proven it doesn't deserve, that's the benefit of the doubt

[squally1313]

It's just such an easy position to take, predicting failure in something where a 40% success rate is a historically good player. It'd be like someone predicting our player makes an out before every at bat...more times than not, you'd be right, but who cares, we all know how this works.

 

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised to not see him in the starting line-up tonight. In late August of last year he named Kluber as the toughest starter he had faced so far, after going 0-4 with 4 Ks. But he's taking the spot of someone who didn't pitch in the playoffs, so the downside to this is incredibly minimal. Who knows, maybe he is super rusty and they don't expect much...even if that's the case, can't you see value in Francona having to manage his bullpen differently, knowing there is a potential plus lefty hitter just waiting on the bench, ready to pinch hit for Heyward/Ross/etc? Just having him on the roster provides value....anything he gives you at the plate is pure (sexy) bonus.