Week 16: Lions at Bears on Fox at noon Sunday

[Sammy Sofa]

Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears 9m9 minutes ago

Conclusion: There is genuine disbelief inside #Bears' locker room that Cutler got benched & Aaron Kromer only received slap on the wrist.

 

 

Welcome to the Trestman regime

 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? But Kaplan and his sycophants were crowing about how the other players must appreciate that there's finally some accountability!

[minnesotacubsfan]

Yea, finally.

[Wilson A2000]

Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears 9m9 minutes ago

Conclusion: There is genuine disbelief inside #Bears' locker room that Cutler got benched & Aaron Kromer only received slap on the wrist.

 

 

Welcome to the Trestman regime

 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? But Kaplan and his sycophants were crowing about how the other players must appreciate that there's finally some accountability!

 

How many defensive players have been benched due to poor play?

[minnesotacubsfan]

How many defensive coaches have been benched due to they suck?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Also, I wonder if the Cutler benching is a mandate from the McCaskeys, ie keep Jay healthy for the next regime

[Ryne Ween]

This is fun.

[UMFan83]

Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears 9m9 minutes ago

Conclusion: There is genuine disbelief inside #Bears' locker room that Cutler got benched & Aaron Kromer only received slap on the wrist.

 

 

Welcome to the Trestman regime

 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? But Kaplan and his sycophants were crowing about how the other players must appreciate that there's finally some accountability!

 

How many defensive players have been benched due to poor play?

 

To be fair we are really exhausting the depth chart at LB and in the secondary. I think Shea is the only Week 1 starter that you can say should be benched. There's really no other options at Safety and CB (plus you want Fuller to keep getting reps).

[minnesotacubsfan]

Cutler has more td's and a better QB rating this year then he has ever had. And more fumbles, but on his way to the second most sacks in his career.

 

But whatev

[Outshined_One]

I need to step away from the internet on this one. I've seen more than a handful of people bemoan the fact that we got rid of McCown instead of Cutler and it's angrying up my blood.

[BigSlick]

This is a perfect capstone to the completely weird and terrible Trestman regime. He's gone full nuclear. Learning he's going to be fired, he's decided to poison the well and destroy the Bears as much as possible before he goes.

 

Amazing.

 

This is a trainwreck of 2006 Cubs proportions

[cubbyvirus00]

I bet Trestman will be fired after Sunday's game

[minnesotacubsfan]

This is a perfect capstone to the completely weird and terrible Trestman regime. He's gone full nuclear. Learning he's going to be fired, he's decided to poison the well and destroy the Bears as much as possible before he goes.

 

Amazing.

 

This is a trainwreck of 2006 Cubs proportions

 

How is this poisoning the well?

[Splendid Splinter]

I decided to look at every team. I went back as far as 2004 and see how many QBs that started at least 5 games or more in a season for each team. The reason I'm doing this is I assume that the more QBs you had in that span starting 5 games in a season in the past 11 years, the worse your team has been in that span which also means that once you had a decent/good QB and move on, you went through several before you found another just as good/better QB or you're still looking for one.

 

These are the teams that had 4 QBs or less in that timespan.

 

Pats

Giants

Cowboys

Bengals

Ravens

Steelers

Packers

Colts

Saints

Falcons

Chargers

Seahawks

 

12 teams total. 1 of those teams won the past 11 SB. Bengals/Chargers/Falcons/Cowboys didn't make it to the SB. Who's the worst team out of that group in the past 10 years? Bengals?

 

Pats, Giants, Steelers, Packers, Saints, and Chargers with 1 or 2 QBs in that span so they were extremely lucky along with the Colts. The rest had 6-9 and a couple were in the double digits (Bills,Raiders both with 11 IIRC).

 

 

 

So if Bears move on from Cutler, it could be ugly the next couple years or maybe we'll get lucky.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Splendid Splinter

[gscool89]

Hire someone in Green Bay please and steal that QB voodoo drafting magic.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Hire Harbaugh and keep Cutler

[Derwood]

Is there anyone any good at QB who will even be available in the draft or free agency in 2016?

 

Good QBs are never available in free agency. In the 2016 draft (assuming Winston and Mariota come out this year), you have Christian Hackenberg from Penn St.(who was borderline terrible this year, but has upside comparable to Andrew Luck according to some) and Connor Cook from Michigan St. Both are probably better than Mariota and Winston if they stay another year and perform the way people think they should. Maybe the TCU QB has a shot with another big year, but I don't know about is ability to run an NFL style offense and make accurate reads/throws.

 

Jared Goff at Cal.

 

I also fear Penn State's horrible OL and WRs are having a really detrimental effect on Hackenberg.

 

Hackenberg had a very Cutler-esque year. After countless drives stalled by sacks, dropped passes and terrible route running, he became visibly frustrated and pouty

[UMFan83]

I decided to look at every team. I went back as far as 2004 and see how many QBs that started at least 5 games or more in a season for each team. The reason I'm doing this is I assume that the more QBs you had in that span starting 5 games in a season in the past 11 years, the worse your team has been in that span which also means that once you had a decent/good QB and move on, you went through several before you found another just as good/better QB or you're still looking for one.

 

These are the teams that had 4 QBs or less in that timespan.

 

Pats

Giants

Cowboys

Bengals

Ravens

Steelers

Packers

Colts

Saints

Falcons

Chargers

Seahawks

 

12 teams total. 1 of those teams won the past 11 SB. Bengals/Chargers/Falcons/Cowboys didn't make it to the SB. Who's the worst team out of that group in the past 10 years? Bengals?

 

Pats, Giants, Steelers, Packers, Saints, and Chargers with 1 or 2 QBs in that span so they were extremely lucky along with the Colts. The rest had 6-9 and a couple were in the double digits (Bills,Raiders both with 11 IIRC).

 

 

 

So if Bears move on from Cutler, it could be ugly the next couple years or maybe we'll get lucky.

 

Get lucky is right. I feel like finding a legit franchise QB is a complete and utter crapshoot. Even if you draft a close to sure thing like Manning or Luck, you have to be fortunate enough to be the worst team in football in a year they are available.

 

So yeah this is what we might be back to...the crapshoot search for our franchise QB.

[RynoRules]

Unless Aaron Rodgers falls into your lap at 21 or whatever.

 

Also, is Russell Wilson a franchise QB? Maybe for Seattle and the type of game they play, but would he be in New England? Would the Pats adjust their game plan to suit his strengths?

 

Maybe what we are learning here is that franchise QB's are made in some significant part through good coaching and schemes that are geared towards their strengths. As an example, is this the reason that RGIII has struggled so badly?

 

Potential sleeper QB prospects (mid-late rounds):

 

Garret Grayson - CO State

Shayne Cardon - ECU

Taysom Hill - BYU (I like this guy)

[UMFan83]

Unless Aaron Rodgers falls into your lap at 21 or whatever

 

But even then, there was no guarantee Rodgers was going to turn into anything. He sat on the bench for 3 years while Favre rapidly deteriorated before he got his shot. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, and had to wait for Bledsoe to get hurt before he was forced into action. For every Rodgers there's 10 Grossmans out there who get picked in the first round and crap out. I might be wrong but I don't think there is any talent evaluator out there that is significantly better than the others at recognizing franchise QB talent beyond the obvious guys which are few and far between and almost always number 1 picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

Russell Wilson is a franchise qb until he gets paid like one. Competent qb play out of cheap draft picks and surround him with talent is a brilliant short term strategy.

[Guest]

Russell Wilson is a franchise qb until he gets paid like one. Competent qb play out of cheap draft picks and surround him with talent is a brilliant short term strategy.

Yep everyone short of a Peyton Manning gets turned on once they are paid- in every sport.

 

It really depends on your definition of "franchise" though.

 

 

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[Guest]

Russell Wilson is a franchise qb until he gets paid like one. Competent qb play out of cheap draft picks and surround him with talent is a brilliant short term strategy.

Yep everyone short of a Peyton Manning gets turned on once they are paid- in every sport.

 

It really depends on your definition of "franchise" though.

 

 

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It's not about him being turned on. It's about being able to allocate the money elsewhere on the roster.

[Soul]

Unless Aaron Rodgers falls into your lap at 21 or whatever

 

But even then, there was no guarantee Rodgers was going to turn into anything. He sat on the bench for 3 years while Favre rapidly deteriorated before he got his shot. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, and had to wait for Bledsoe to get hurt before he was forced into action. For every Rodgers there's 10 Grossmans out there who get picked in the first round and crap out. I might be wrong but I don't think there is any talent evaluator out there that is significantly better than the others at recognizing franchise QB talent beyond the obvious guys which are few and far between and almost always number 1 picks.

 

Yes, and then when it doesn't happen you build Seahawks, or Ravens, or Giants, even Pittsburgh style teams.

 

The last 3 SB winners didn't have a Rodgers or Brady or Peyton. Before that, Packers and Saints did have a top QB. Pittsburgh I would argue didn't.

 

It's so much easier to be consistently good with one of those guys. But if you acknowledge that it's a crapshoot to get one, than you must also acknowledge and embrace the idea of building a champion without one.

[jersey cubs fan]

Russell Wilson is a franchise qb until he gets paid like one. Competent qb play out of cheap draft picks and surround him with talent is a brilliant short term strategy.

Yep everyone short of a Peyton Manning gets turned on once they are paid- in every sport.

 

It really depends on your definition of "franchise" though.

 

 

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It's not about him being turned on. It's about being able to allocate the money elsewhere on the roster.

Yeah, that's my point. Russell won't look as good when he's taking $16m away from teammates.

[Guest]

Seahawks are getting cheap production across the board. Their crunch when it comes will be more than Wilson. So it's more about drafting well across the board. Only is brilliant if you get the incredibly rare third rounder that can produce like Wilson right out of the gate.

 

 

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