Miguel Montero acquired for Mejia and Godley

[Sammy Sofa]

maybe they're still getting caught up on the pinch-framing thing too. castillo wasn't that bad in 2012, and pitch framing metrics i don't think were widely used a couple of years ago.

 

When it comes to pinch-framing, nobody will ever top Izturius:

 

[SouthSideRyan]

Win shares were always dumb. From day one.

 

Unless you're taking the position that pitch-framing is completely irrelevant, then we can all agree that fWAR for catchers is suspect.

 

Of course it's not irrelevant. Someone who argues a catcher makes a 5 win difference in pitch framing alone is.

 

I like our FO too much to believe they knowingly ran the relative Jake Fox out there behind the plate the last 3 years.

 

 

They're going to knowingly run Javy out there, that doesn't mean they don't put any stock in the value of OBP.

 

Javy getting on base 22% of the time isn't going to hurt the trade value of your other players in years you're punting.

 

Castillo being -15 runs for the year in framing is not going to move the needle for any individual pitcher. Similarly, we shouldn't be expecting some catcher ERA-esque like change in our current pitcher's numbers due to framing.

 

If we shouldn't expect a dramtic shift in our pitchers abilities then where are the saved runs showing up?

 

None of this is to say I dislike the deal. Bfd on the prospects and this is the type of move we should always be making, I just think some people are taking things too far on Montero

[Guest]

Castillo being -15 runs for the year in framing is not going to move the needle for any individual pitcher. Similarly, we shouldn't be expecting some catcher ERA-esque like change in our current pitcher's numbers due to framing.

 

If we shouldn't expect a dramtic shift in our pitchers abilities then where are the saved runs showing up?

 

None of this is to say I dislike the deal. Bfd on the prospects and this is the type of move we should always be making, I just think some people are taking things too far on Montero

 

My point is that a starting pitcher is throwing about a fifth of a catcher's innings. If Castillo is a -15 framer it's making a very modest difference in a starter's performance/value. Across all pitchers that adds up for the team, but having Castillo catching pitches wasn't hemorrhaging Shark or Maholm's trade value.

[Post Count Padder]

I like the deal. Losing Mejia is a bummer but he's a long ways away and we have a lot of interesting arms in the lower minors.

[Vinestal]

Im alright with this, I don't like trading Castillo as Id rather see the 2 of them platooning

[Deeg]

I think Montero makes a great deal of sense for the Cubs, but I'm puzzled that Theo would give up a very good prospect for a guy whose contract should push him into negative value. Considering what other, far more attractive targets have fetched in terms of prospect return this off-season, Mejia seems like a major overpay.

[Guest]

I think Montero makes a great deal of sense for the Cubs, but I'm puzzled that Theo would give up a very good prospect for a guy whose contract should push him into negative value. Considering what other, far more attractive targets have fetched in terms of prospect return this off-season, Mejia seems like a major overpay.

 

in what world is mejia a very good prospect?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think Montero makes a great deal of sense for the Cubs, but I'm puzzled that Theo would give up a very good prospect for a guy whose contract should push him into negative value. Considering what other, far more attractive targets have fetched in terms of prospect return this off-season, Mejia seems like a major overpay.

 

in what world is mejia a very good prospect?

 

Is this a trick question? All prospects are very good. Because they're prospects. Prospects!

[imb]

I guess you could say that Theo is not a Godley man :D

[Deeg]

Mejia is a very good prospect. He's got a great arm, and his stuff is pretty advanced for a kid that young. Certainly a legit top 20 guy in a very good system, and someone the Cubs paid a good sized bonus points to. In what world is that not a very good prospect?

[Vinestal]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney 19s20 seconds ago

Theo: "We'll always listen, just because it would be crazy not to listen. But we really like the way (Montero and Castillo) fit together."

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Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney 3m3 minutes ago

Theo: "We're not shopping (Castillo) at all. The second that the Montero news came out, we got calls from a number of teams about Wely

[Guest]

Mejia is a very good prospect. He's got a great arm, and his stuff is pretty advanced for a kid that young. Certainly a legit top 20 guy in a very good system, and someone the Cubs paid a good sized bonus points to. In what world is that not a very good prospect?

 

he's borderline to even be called a prospect, let alone a very good one.

[Tryptamine]

Mejia is a very good prospect. He's got a great arm, and his stuff is pretty advanced for a kid that young. Certainly a legit top 20 guy in a very good system, and someone the Cubs paid a good sized bonus points to. In what world is that not a very good prospect?

 

Yeah he was a borderline top 15 guy for me. Only pitchers I had ahead of him were Edwards,Pierce,Tseng and Underwood. Sands was pretty close too.

[gscool89]

[Deeg]

Mejia is a very good prospect. He's got a great arm, and his stuff is pretty advanced for a kid that young. Certainly a legit top 20 guy in a very good system, and someone the Cubs paid a good sized bonus points to. In what world is that not a very good prospect?

 

he's borderline to even be called a prospect, let alone a very good one.

 

That's absolutely absurd, sorry. Just not even close to meshing with the facts.

[Guest]

Mejia has good stuff and is projectable with some pretty good results, he's not in some people's Top 20 for no reason. He's also a pitcher, very raw, and no less than 4 years from the major leagues. Considering the other guy they gave up is a slightly warmed body(24 yo reliever in A+ with good results), it's hardly paying a premium in a trade for Montero.

[Deeg]

Mejia has good stuff and is projectable with some pretty good results, he's not in some people's Top 20 for no reason. He's also a pitcher, very raw, and no less than 4 years from the major leagues. Considering the other guy they gave up is a slightly warmed body(24 yo reliever in A+ with good results), it's hardly paying a premium in a trade for Montero.

 

It is if you believe Montero's contract pushes him into negative value.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Mejia has good stuff and is projectable with some pretty good results, he's not in some people's Top 20 for no reason. He's also a pitcher, very raw, and no less than 4 years from the major leagues. Considering the other guy they gave up is a slightly warmed body(24 yo reliever in A+ with good results), it's hardly paying a premium in a trade for Montero.

 

It is if you believe Montero's contract pushes him into negative value.

 

Well then stop believing that. Problem solved.

[Guest]

Mejia is a very good prospect. He's got a great arm, and his stuff is pretty advanced for a kid that young. Certainly a legit top 20 guy in a very good system, and someone the Cubs paid a good sized bonus points to. In what world is that not a very good prospect?

 

he's borderline to even be called a prospect, let alone a very good one.

 

That's absolutely absurd, sorry. Just not even close to meshing with the facts.

 

a raw 20 year old pitcher who hasn't pitched above rookie ball is not a very good prospect. he might be a prospect. cj edwards and pierce johnson are barely "very good" prospects.

 

i mean, [expletive], if mejia is a very good prospect, vogelbach must be blue chip

[seanimal]

I guess you could say that Theo is not a Godley man :D

 

lol wtf man

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

mejia was a top 15-20 prospect in the best system in baseball. that's it, that's the list.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Farewell, Mejia. We'll always have this moment:

 

[Elrhino]

Hearing about all this incredible value Mejia has really makes me want to start shopping some more rookie and low A arms for major league talent ASAP. Can't wait to see the haul we could get for Trevor Clifton.

[Guest]

lol montero is so excited to be a cub

[minnesotacubsfan]

lol montero is so excited to be a cub

 

 

look at your sig, wouldnt you be?