2015 Rotation

[Backtobanks]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

The Angels and Giants don't have nearly enough to pull off a trade. Can't see the Mariners or Cardinals doing it, when they've already had a chance to do it and didn't either. Not til the FA are off the board.

 

And as I said, you're making assumptions about how each of these front offices operate and what they value.

 

The Angels could center a deal around Calhoun. The Giants could center a deal around Crick.

 

ETA: Mets too

 

There are 3 major FA pitchers out there. There are many more teams than that, that will be going after them. To get the best return on Hamels, it definitely seems to me they'd let those guys go off the board prior to trading him. One, because each of those teams certainly would rather pay money than give up a ton AND have to pay money. Two, we don't even know for sure they'll put Hamels back on the market to begin with. Three, if they do, why would they come down on their astronomical price early in the offseason? They'd get more by waiting to see who the FA losers are anyway. Not to mention, Im sure they've got certain prospects on a few teams they like more than others obviously. If those teams look to go FA first(Us,Dodgers, Red Sox) do you think they'd settle with the chance one of them has to wind up bidding on Hamels?

 

Turn it around, do you think they'll wait and let some of the big bidders get taken out of the trade market after they sign up Scherzer/Lester/Maeda?

[jersey cubs fan]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

YES THAT IS THE FUNNY THING

 

 

 

amitheonlyonewhodoesntseethefunnything?

[davell]

 

The Angels and Giants don't have nearly enough to pull off a trade. Can't see the Mariners or Cardinals doing it, when they've already had a chance to do it and didn't either. Not til the FA are off the board.

 

And as I said, you're making assumptions about how each of these front offices operate and what they value.

 

The Angels could center a deal around Calhoun. The Giants could center a deal around Crick.

 

ETA: Mets too

 

There are 3 major FA pitchers out there. There are many more teams than that, that will be going after them. To get the best return on Hamels, it definitely seems to me they'd let those guys go off the board prior to trading him. One, because each of those teams certainly would rather pay money than give up a ton AND have to pay money. Two, we don't even know for sure they'll put Hamels back on the market to begin with. Three, if they do, why would they come down on their astronomical price early in the offseason? They'd get more by waiting to see who the FA losers are anyway. Not to mention, Im sure they've got certain prospects on a few teams they like more than others obviously. If those teams look to go FA first(Us,Dodgers, Red Sox) do you think they'd settle with the chance one of them has to wind up bidding on Hamels?

 

Turn it around, do you think they'll wait and let some of the big bidders get taken out of the trade market after they sign up Scherzer/Lester/Maeda?

 

That's not their call. My point is I can't see any of the Cubs, Red Sox, and Dodgers giving up the required haul until they miss out on the FA.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

amitheonlyonewhodoesntseethefunnything?

I laughed, but it wasn't with him.

[Guest]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

what the [expletive] are you talking about?

[davell]

And Sulley, I would LOVE to get Lester AND Hamels. I just don't think they'll add 2 high priced guys in a single offseason. Lester and a trade for Wheeler or some other young cost controlled pitcher? Sure. But not 2 20 mill types when they've repeatedly said this 18-24 month window.

[davell]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

YES THAT IS THE FUNNY THING

 

 

 

amitheonlyonewhodoesntseethefunnything?

 

Just "oh shitted" in a conference call. Thanks man.

[Guest]

And Sulley, I would LOVE to get Lester AND Hamels. I just don't think they'll add 2 high priced guys in a single offseason. Lester and a trade for Wheeler or some other young cost controlled pitcher? Sure. But not 2 20 mill types when they've repeatedly said this 18-24 month window.

 

I think that has more to do with being realistic about what they can get done rather than what they want to do.

 

I don't think they wouldn't add two right now if they can make it happen.

[Warpticon]

I don't know how you can possibly make that claim with any degree of certainty. Russell has been great in the minors, but that guarantees pretty much nothing

 

advanced approach, power, defense, and athleticism go a long way.

 

although now i see people disparaging a prospect they love in order to try to be right about something. for shame.

 

Literally nobody did this. Somebody needs to confiscate your supply of words.

[Derwood]

I can't wait for all three major FA's to re-sign with their own teams, and then the Phillies triple their price for Hamels

[XZero771679666304]

I don't know how you can possibly make that claim with any degree of certainty. Russell has been great in the minors, but that guarantees pretty much nothing

 

advanced approach, power, defense, and athleticism go a long way.

 

although now i see people disparaging a prospect they love in order to try to be right about something. for shame.

 

Literally nobody did this. Somebody needs to confiscate your supply of words.

 

Clearly it was taking a huge dump on Addison Russell to suggest that a prospect (albeit a very, very good one) in AA should not be assumed to have a floor that is equivalent to an established, quality major league player.

 

Someone is being disparaged here, and it isn't Addison Russell.

[Backtobanks]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

YES THAT IS THE FUNNY THING

 

 

 

amitheonlyonewhodoesntseethefunnything?

 

Okay, maybe I should have used the word "interesting" rather than "funny" since most of you have espoused the philosophy of monster offense and "meh pitching".

[jersey cubs fan]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

YES THAT IS THE FUNNY THING

 

 

 

amitheonlyonewhodoesntseethefunnything?

 

Okay, maybe I should have used the word "interesting" rather than "funny" since most of you have espoused the philosophy of monster offense and "meh pitching".

Meh pitching

[davell]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

If you actually read what we've been arguing about, no one is suggesting not adding elite pitching. We're arguing different ways to accomplish it.

[Guest]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

If you actually read what we've been arguing about, no one is suggesting not adding elite pitching. We're arguing different ways to accomplish it.

It's mostly a timing argument, followed by trading Castro vs a prospect package.

[Guest]

Well, I guess there's a third argument about the Cubs adding two expensive pitchers.

 

Personally, I can't see it happening this offseason. I think they are confident enough in their evaluation and coaching of the stockpile of arms that they've built up.

[Backtobanks]

do you guys see what a rotation of

 

Lester

Hamels

Arrieta

Hendricks

whomever

 

would do with a lineup featuring Baez, Bryant, Soler, Rizzo, R. Castillo, and Alcantara? That virtually guarantees a playoff spot and 4 year reign to start with in the central.

 

The funny thing is that the playoff spot and a 4-year reign in the central would be based on the rotation if you're looking at a track record of ML success rather than potential.

 

If you actually read what we've been arguing about, no one is suggesting not adding elite pitching. We're arguing different ways to accomplish it.

 

I've read what all of you have been arguing about, I just thought it would be "interesting" if our rotation was the reason for contention after all of the discussion about our record-setting offensive potential.

[Guest]

I don't know how you can possibly make that claim with any degree of certainty. Russell has been great in the minors, but that guarantees pretty much nothing

 

advanced approach, power, defense, and athleticism go a long way.

 

although now i see people disparaging a prospect they love in order to try to be right about something. for shame.

 

Literally nobody did this. Somebody needs to confiscate your supply of words.

Jeez, I call you MC Pee Pants one freaking time and you hold it against me forever.

[davell]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/from-instagram-pics-to-open-defiance-harvey-testing-mets-nerve/

 

What would you give up for him?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/from-instagram-pics-to-open-defiance-harvey-testing-mets-nerve/

 

What would you give up for him?

not much

 

maybe Vitters

[Cubswin11]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/from-instagram-pics-to-open-defiance-harvey-testing-mets-nerve/

 

What would you give up for him?

Almora and Pierce, if they insist on a SS being involved we can throw in Amaya.

[Guest]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/from-instagram-pics-to-open-defiance-harvey-testing-mets-nerve/

 

What would you give up for him?

Almora and Pierce, if they insist on a SS being involved we can throw in Amaya.

Too much. Underwood and Sczur.

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/from-instagram-pics-to-open-defiance-harvey-testing-mets-nerve/

 

What would you give up for him?

Almora and Pierce, if they insist on a SS being involved we can throw in Amaya.

Too much. Underwood and Sczur.

 

No, no, no! We demand they give is Sydergaard in exchange for taking him and his horrible can-do attitude off their hands.

 

Cut the [expletive]. We give them Wood or Jackson, and a any pair of prospects south of the top 10. And those who think it's the worst proposal ever today praise it as genius when it happens.

[SouthSideRyan]

Are you people serious? It's Matt Harvey. Yeah just take our garbage in return mets