2015 Rotation

[davell]

There is no way we're trading Starlin for Hamels. If we are forced to overpay for an ace in FA, it'd make more sense than doing that. And then we can use surplus hitting prospects(Almora, Schwarber, McKinney, maybe Alcantara-depending on if we get Rusney) to add another major pitcher.

[Guest]

There is no way we're trading Starlin for Hamels. If we are forced to overpay for an ace in FA, it'd make more sense than doing that. And then we can use surplus hitting prospects(Almora, Schwarber, McKinney, maybe Alcantara-depending on if we get Rusney) to add another major pitcher.

 

again, an assurance of overpaying is no assurance of acquisition at all. you're firmly locked into the cult of next year.

 

trade first, then sign.

 

in truth, there is no such thing as overpaying, you pay enough to beat out the next guy and that's what market value is.

[Guest]

I don't think everyone is opposed to the general idea of trading for Hamels; it's just that you're hung up on the idea of trading Castro for him.

 

i'm not, i just think that will be the asking price. and i'd pay it.

[davell]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

[SABR Gamer]

The Cubs might trade for Hamels, but it shouldn't and almost certainly won't involve Castro.

[Guest]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

[XZero771679666304]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

 

The Cubs could blow away any Dodgers offer.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

 

The Cubs could blow away any Dodgers offer.

 

Not if they are scoffing at the notion of trading away prospects when there are all these free agents we can get with just money.

[SouthSideRyan]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

 

The Cubs could blow away any Dodgers offer.

 

I don't think davell's question was who has the best farm system.

[Guest]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

[XZero771679666304]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

 

The Cubs could blow away any Dodgers offer.

 

Not if they are scoffing at the notion of trading away prospects when there are all these free agents we can get with just money.

 

If the Phillies know the Cubs are interested, they're probably not going to trade Hamels away until they've talked to Theo/Jed. The point is that Hamels isn't just going to disappear from the list of options while the FO is pursuing free agents. There is nothing wrong with looking at free agent options first, especially when the league knows the Cubs are looking for SP, and that they have most to offer. The trade options will be there regardless, if the FO is amenable to them.

[davell]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

[Guest]

No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.

 

off the top of my head the Dodgers could have him in a second.

 

The Cubs could blow away any Dodgers offer.

 

Not if they are scoffing at the notion of trading away prospects when there are all these free agents we can get with just money.

 

lol, exactly

[Guest]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

 

they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Stannis

[seanimal]

trade first, then sign.

 

i disagree, but within context. we shouldn't pass up on a trade for a pitcher if it gives us someone with some amount of team and cost control. if that opportunity comes, you take it for obvious reasons that everyone understands. however, that's an opportunity that may not ever come. if you can acquire a guy for "just money" then you are silly not to because the value of surplus payroll dollars drops every year in this free agency environment

[jersey cubs fan]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should.

[XZero771679666304]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

 

Well there's that, for sure. Unless the case being made is that the Cubs should just offer whatever it takes.

[davell]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

 

they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it.

 

So, you think the Dodgers would do something they already had the chance to do, but didn't, before going after the FA?

[Guest]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

 

no, because the cubs could most certainly be the high bidder in any trade war. only the price is in question. being the high bidder for Lester or Scherzer in no way guarantees anything.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Stannis

[XZero771679666304]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

 

they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it.

 

They might do that trade, but almost certainly not without calling the Cubs first.

 

Of course, Amaro is a buffoon, so who knows.

Edited August 14, 2014 by XZero77

[davell]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should.

 

No team is trading for Hamels when they can add a guy for just money. He's not getting dealt prior to those guys coming off the market.

[Guest]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

 

they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it.

 

So, you think the Dodgers would do something they already had the chance to do, but didn't, before going after the FA?

Depends on what was on the table. But it's most certainly possible.

[jersey cubs fan]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should.

 

No team is trading for Hamels when they can add a guy for just money. He's not getting dealt prior to those guys coming off the market.

you are making huge assumptions about other teams' budgets.

[XZero771679666304]

Talking about trading for Hamels in the offseason as a sure thing as opposed to signing a FA is a logical fallacy. The Phillies are no more certain to accept the Cubs offer than is Lester.

That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should.

 

No team is trading for Hamels when they can add a guy for just money. He's not getting dealt prior to those guys coming off the market.

 

It's possible that a team might, but it's extremely unlikely.

[davell]

You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?

 

they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it.

 

So, you think the Dodgers would do something they already had the chance to do, but didn't, before going after the FA?

Depends on what was on the table. But it's most certainly possible.

 

That goes against everything they've said. And it goes against what they've already done, which is NOT pull the trigger on a deal for Hamels.