Cubs trade Bremer/Arias for Jacob Turner

[Elrhino]

North made a post comparing Grimm and Turner (I guess because they're comparable?) and talking about Turner's repertoire a bit.

 

I think Jacob Turner and Justin Grimm are similar, but if I had to choose, I choose Turner over Grimm in a starting role. The Cubs could keep Grimm in a relief role and benefit from having Turner in the rotation, that is if the Cubs were to plan on stretching Grimm out.

 

%= percentile

Turner 4seam: 5.3% whiffs (40%)

Grimm 4seam: 5.2% whiffs (40%)

 

Turner sinker: 6.3% whiffs (40%)

Grimm sinker: 5.3% whiffs (40%)

 

Turner slider: 19.3% whiffs ***** ( > 50%)

Grimm slider: 18.84% whiffs **** ( > 50%)

 

Turner curve: 9.6% whiffs ( bad percentile)

Grimm curve: 13.4% whiffs **** ( > 50%)

 

Turner change: 11% whiffs (40%)

Grimm change: 7.5% whiffs (bad percentile)

 

Summary: Turner has a slightly below average change, fastball, and sinker. Those three pitches are marginally below the average marker, however, so they aren't considered terrible pitches. He has an above average slider, a very good pitch. His curve sucks.

 

Grimm has a slightly below average fastball and sinker, but like Turner, it's marginal. He has above average pitches in his curve and slider. His change up is very bad.

 

Turner lacks strikeouts because he only has one pitch that draws significant whiffs and throws too many pitches of the fastball variety. Grimm has more whiff potential because he possesses two pitches that can draw significant whiffs. Grimm, however, lacks a change up, which can be problematic because it can cause platoon splits. Turner won't have this much of an issue, which might make him more appealing as a starting pitcher. He needs to locate his change up better against lefties, though.

 

If the Cubs claim Turner, it would best serve him to improve his command on the change up and throw less sinkers (throws 36% sinkers). He has a better change of being a successful starting pitch than Grimm.

 

Insane how quickly the Tigers moved him through their system before he had developed breaking pitches. His first major league call up he had been 20 years old for all of 2 months.

[Productive Outs]

Does he go to AAA?

I think someone earlier said he can't go to AAA. More likely he goes to the MLB bullpen for now with Villanueva or Parker getting jettisoned.

 

Parker was optioned to make room for Baez.

 

edit: David is too fast

Edited August 6, 2014 by Productive Outs

[Andy]

Does he go to AAA?

I think someone earlier said he can't go to AAA. More likely he goes to the MLB bullpen for now with Villanueva or Parker getting jettisoned.

 

Parker is already gone

Villanueva it is then. We don't need two long relievers anyway and his contract is up after the season.

[Andy]

Does he go to AAA?

I think someone earlier said he can't go to AAA. More likely he goes to the MLB bullpen for now with Villanueva or Parker getting jettisoned.

 

Parker was optioned to make room for Baez.

Like Javi, I didn't bother to remember his name.

[Brian]

Forgive me if this was covered but isn't he one of the main Tigers prospects we were hoping for in a potential Garza deal?

[SouthSideRyan]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

[Clem Fandango]

Forgive me if this was covered but isn't he one of the main Tigers prospects we were hoping for in a potential Garza deal?

 

Yup. And now he's gonna be ours for a whole lot less

[Guest]

Forgive me if this was covered but isn't he one of the main Tigers prospects we were hoping for in a potential Garza deal?

Yes

[WrigleyField 22]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

Well you need a 25 man spot and 40 man spot so you could have to do both. Or just DFA Villanueva and make it one move.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

Well you need a 25 man spot and 40 man spot so you could have to do both. Or just DFA Villanueva and make it one move.

 

I'd guess Villanueva stays around as a veteran presence.

[SouthSideRyan]

Forgive me if this was covered but isn't he one of the main Tigers prospects we were hoping for in a potential Garza deal?

 

Yup. And now he's gonna be ours for a whole lot less

 

Hopefully this works out better than when we got Olt for a whole lot less.

[Cubswin11]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

DFA Brett Jackson

[WrigleyField 22]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

Well you need a 25 man spot and 40 man spot so you could have to do both. Or just DFA Villanueva and make it one move.

 

I'd guess Villanueva stays around as a veteran presence.

I'm only okay with that if he grows his cool stash back.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why are people jettisoning Rusin before Vitters? Send down Rusin, fine, but no need to DFA him.

DFA Brett Jackson

 

At least Jackson has an option left. They'll both almost certainly be gone this offseason, but I can't imagine a scenario where either make the team out of ST. Outright Vitters now, if somebody claims him, oh well.

[ctcf]

Still kinda dumbfounded the Rockies didn't jump on this

[RammyFanny]

Still kinda dumbfounded the Rockies didn't jump on this

After yesterday, they realized Turner was just another Not Javi.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Still kinda dumbfounded the Rockies didn't jump on this

 

I'm thinking we might have had a deal in the works already and the Marlins got a wink-wink agreement from the Rockies to let him pass through. Two things don't make sense: 1. That the Rockies would pass. 2. That the Marlins would choose now to do this, in the first place.

[Brian]

Rockies only want lefties

[Guest]

It's crazy to me that we're about to add Turner for just about nothing.

[Guest]

North made a post comparing Grimm and Turner (I guess because they're comparable?) and talking about Turner's repertoire a bit.

 

I think Jacob Turner and Justin Grimm are similar, but if I had to choose, I choose Turner over Grimm in a starting role. The Cubs could keep Grimm in a relief role and benefit from having Turner in the rotation, that is if the Cubs were to plan on stretching Grimm out.

 

%= percentile

Turner 4seam: 5.3% whiffs (40%)

Grimm 4seam: 5.2% whiffs (40%)

 

Turner sinker: 6.3% whiffs (40%)

Grimm sinker: 5.3% whiffs (40%)

 

Turner slider: 19.3% whiffs ***** ( > 50%)

Grimm slider: 18.84% whiffs **** ( > 50%)

 

Turner curve: 9.6% whiffs ( bad percentile)

Grimm curve: 13.4% whiffs **** ( > 50%)

 

Turner change: 11% whiffs (40%)

Grimm change: 7.5% whiffs (bad percentile)

 

Summary: Turner has a slightly below average change, fastball, and sinker. Those three pitches are marginally below the average marker, however, so they aren't considered terrible pitches. He has an above average slider, a very good pitch. His curve sucks.

 

Grimm has a slightly below average fastball and sinker, but like Turner, it's marginal. He has above average pitches in his curve and slider. His change up is very bad.

 

Turner lacks strikeouts because he only has one pitch that draws significant whiffs and throws too many pitches of the fastball variety. Grimm has more whiff potential because he possesses two pitches that can draw significant whiffs. Grimm, however, lacks a change up, which can be problematic because it can cause platoon splits. Turner won't have this much of an issue, which might make him more appealing as a starting pitcher. He needs to locate his change up better against lefties, though.

 

If the Cubs claim Turner, it would best serve him to improve his command on the change up and throw less sinkers (throws 36% sinkers). He has a better change of being a successful starting pitch than Grimm.

 

Insane how quickly the Tigers moved him through their system before he had developed breaking pitches. His first major league call up he had been 20 years old for all of 2 months.

 

The Tigers promote minor leaguers a bit recklessly (look at Porcello too).

[davell]

If we get Turner, we're 7 deep geading into next season with Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/Hendricks/Wada/Straily/Turner. Before FA.

[Clem Fandango]

If we get Turner, we're 7 deep geading into next season with Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/Hendricks/Wada/Straily/Turner. Before FA.

 

It's like a shittier version of the Dodgers rotation

[Felix Leiter]

Looks like we don't have to send the Marlins anything, but as a good will gesture-send them Edwin Jackson. Unless someone is willing to take on his contract-it's pretty much sunk costs. They get 2 years+ of Edwin, we free up a pitching slot. The Marlins are so desperate for pitching, they're considering bringing back 36-year old Brad Penny.

[Elrhino]

If we get Turner, we're 7 deep geading into next season with Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/Hendricks/Wada/Straily/Turner. Before FA.

 

And Doubront.

[jersey cubs fan]

If we get Turner, we're 7 deep geading into next season with Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/Hendricks/Wada/Straily/Turner. Before FA.

 

And Doubront.

 

oh god I'm sick of red sox fans telling me to enjoy him with a sinister chuckle