Cubs trade Bremer/Arias for Jacob Turner

[Aaron_Kennelly]

This ain't getting to a waiver claim, there'll be plenty of interest in him and he'll get traded.

 

Keep in mind, anyone being dealt has to pass thru waivers and go unclaimed. Also keep in mind it's at least very likely Hernandez and Amaya are probably earmarked for the Red Sox(Doubront, assuming at least one goes unpicked next year).

 

My guess is it'll take something like Candelario or Torres as the main piece and maybe Jokisch or something like that.

 

At any rate, this is something that's fallen into our laps. We need to make this happen. I'm not sure you can handle a pitcher much worse than how he's been. This is the best potential flyer we've seen show up on waivers in quite a while.

 

Jacob Turner isn't getting traded for Gleyber Torres.

 

Especially if we are the team that wins the claim on him and are the only team they can negotiate with...

 

That's not how that works. They've got 7 days to put him thru waivers now. They'd much prefer to trade him prior to being forced to deal with the highest claiming team.

 

Oh, ok. Well then pony up and get him. Still can't see it taking too terribly much since everyone knows what position they are in, having no other recourse but to trade him. If it's any top 15-20 guy in our system, then do it.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Ok, now I am confused. Who is the cap expert here? ... because I sure thought he definitely had to pass through revocable trade waivers to be dealt, also.

[davell]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

[bukie]

Yes, he's been designated for assignment, meaning he has to pass through waivers before the Marlins can freely trade him or release him.

 

If someone claims him on waivers, the Marlins can either let the team have him, work out a trade with that team, or pull him back for the rest of the year.

[bukie]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

Why does that suck? Think the Rockies will take a shot at him first? The Cubs are second in the waiver order.

[jersey cubs fan]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

 

Is this your first August?

[davell]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

Why does that suck? Think the Rockies will take a shot at him first? The Cubs are second in the waiver order.

 

They always need pitching, I'd be kind of shocked if they don't.

[Guest]

Closest thing I can find to someone speculating on if the Rockies would claim Turner:

 

@BlakeStBlogger I wouldn't be shocked, but a little surprised if the Rockies claimed Jacob Turner. If he struggles, it'd just provoke more anger

 

@BlakeStBlogger Turner doesn't help the Rockies in 2015, and that's their goal. Why waste any cash that could be going toward FA?

[davell]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

 

Is this your first August?

 

Honestly didn't remember/know that.

[muntjack]

I know about all of Vogelbach's limitations, but he is 7th in the FSL in wOBA and is younger than all those ahead of him. Would like to avoid dealing him for Turner.

[Banedon]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

 

Is this your first August?

 

Honestly didn't remember/know that.

 

That's what makes the trading deadline a thing. And the waiver deadline a thing.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I know about all of Vogelbach's limitations, but he is 7th in the FSL in wOBA and is younger than all those ahead of him. Would like to avoid dealing him for Turner.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we don't even have to give that up. If the Marlins were to not come to agreement with the claiming team, then they either have to give him up for nothing or keep him on the 25-man roster the rest of the year, since he has no options remaining. They clearly don't want to keep him on the 25-man roster. So I am not sure what negotiating power they will have. Mainly I am not sure why they waited until August to do this.

[Rob]

I know about all of Vogelbach's limitations, but he is 7th in the FSL in wOBA and is younger than all those ahead of him. Would like to avoid dealing him for Turner.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we don't even have to give that up. If the Marlins were to not come to agreement with the claiming team, then they either have to give him up for nothing or keep him on the 25-man roster the rest of the year, since he has no options remaining. They clearly don't want to keep him on the 25-man roster. So I am not sure what negotiating power they will have. Mainly I am not sure why they waited until August to do this.

 

Today I learned that you can add a player back to the 25 man after DFA'ing him.

[Guest]

Brett is saying I'm wrong. He says they have to pass thru first because its August. If so, that sucks.

 

Is this your first August?

 

Honestly didn't remember/know that.

 

dafuq

[bukie]

I know about all of Vogelbach's limitations, but he is 7th in the FSL in wOBA and is younger than all those ahead of him. Would like to avoid dealing him for Turner.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we don't even have to give that up. If the Marlins were to not come to agreement with the claiming team, then they either have to give him up for nothing or keep him on the 25-man roster the rest of the year, since he has no options remaining. They clearly don't want to keep him on the 25-man roster. So I am not sure what negotiating power they will have. Mainly I am not sure why they waited until August to do this.

 

Today I learned that you can add a player back to the 25 man after DFA'ing him.

This is the exact reason I get annoyed whenever people assume DFA = release.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I know about all of Vogelbach's limitations, but he is 7th in the FSL in wOBA and is younger than all those ahead of him. Would like to avoid dealing him for Turner.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we don't even have to give that up. If the Marlins were to not come to agreement with the claiming team, then they either have to give him up for nothing or keep him on the 25-man roster the rest of the year, since he has no options remaining. They clearly don't want to keep him on the 25-man roster. So I am not sure what negotiating power they will have. Mainly I am not sure why they waited until August to do this.

 

Today I learned that you can add a player back to the 25 man after DFA'ing him.

 

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

[bukie]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

2) He clears waivers - Marlins can work out a trade with any team for him, send him to the minors, or release him.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

2) He clears waivers - Marlins can work out a trade with any team for him, send him to the minors, or release him.

 

Ok. That's what I thought. But, from the part that I bolded, that means that he would have to stay on the 25-man roster, since he has no options left. Which, it seems like they don't want him on the 25-man.

[bukie]

So basically, the only leverage the Marlins have would be the hope that nobody wants to take on Turner's salary, which is really a non issue for a player like Turner.

 

It's a baffling move, really. They must really hate his ERA.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

 

In reverse order of the standings starting with the team's own league (NL in this case) and then the other league, right? And multiple teams can put in a claim but the highest priority either gets a deal done or nothing happens.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/08/05/marlins-designate-pitcher-jacob-turner-for-assignment-leading-to-interesting-questions/

 

Remember: “designated for assignment” =/= released or waived. It means Turner has been removed from the 25-man and 40-man rosters, and the Marlins now have 10 days in which to trade, waive, or release Turner. You can expect a lot of teams to be intrigued by the upside, and many teams might be willing to make a trade for Turner, giving up a marginal piece for him.

 

… but it’s August. Which means that, in order to trade Turner, the Marlins first have to place him on revocable waivers. If he cleared, they could trade him to any team, and, if he’s claimed, the Marlins can trade him to the team that claims him (or let him go for nothing). As you recall from our primer, if multiple teams claim Turner, the priority goes by reverse standings order in the NL first, and then the AL. At present, then, the Cubs have the number two priority, right behind the Rockies.

[bukie]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

2) He clears waivers - Marlins can work out a trade with any team for him, send him to the minors, or release him.

 

Ok. That's what I thought. But, from the part that I bolded, that means that he would have to stay on the 25-man roster, since he has no options left. Which, it seems like they don't want him on the 25-man.

Right, but it's August. Teams will occasionally put the whole team on waivers just to see if nobody notices and they slip through. Most get pulled back right away with little to no fanfare, and players nobody care about will get traded afterwards. Someone put out the Jacob Turner signal, though, and I can't imagine him slipping through.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

2) He clears waivers - Marlins can work out a trade with any team for him, send him to the minors, or release him.

 

Well...he could be waived again, but it'd be irrevocable so it'd essentially be releasing him to whoever has the claim...defeating the purpose of pulling him back.

[bukie]

Yeah, I am losing my mind with all of this. So their only options are trade him or lose him for nothing? So Vogelbach shouldn't be in play at all, if we win the claim...

 

Here are their options:

 

1) MLB team claims him on waivers - Either the Marlins let them have him, work out a trade with that team for him, or pull him back and he can't be waived again.

 

In reverse order of the standings starting with the team's own league (NL in this case) and then the other league, right? And multiple teams can put in a claim but the highest priority either gets a deal done or nothing happens.

Correct. So it goes Rockies, Cubs, irrelevant.

[SouthSideRyan]

So basically, the only leverage the Marlins have would be the hope that nobody wants to take on Turner's salary, which is really a non issue for a player like Turner.

 

It's a baffling move, really. They must really hate his ERA.

 

Well and outright waivers are different than trade waivers. If they're trying to outright him off the 40 man those are irrevocable right?