Hammel/Samardzija Traded to A's for Russell/McKinney/Straily

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I wonder if long term the fact that they were trading Samardzija to Oakland, where he won't sign a long term deal and will allow the Cubs a chance to resign him in a year and a half, played into them pulling the trigger on the trade. It would kind of be the best of both worlds if they were able to get Russell and then resign Jeff providing he stays healthy and continues to pitch the way he has this year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The prospects aren't really excess until we start running out of holes at the MLB level. I won't complain if we go after a big trade, but I'm not expecting it.

[XZero771679666304]

The prospects aren't really excess until we start running out of holes at the MLB level. I won't complain if we go after a big trade, but I'm not expecting it.

 

Some of them won't pan out, but even if they do, there's room for most of these guys.

 

1B Rizzo

2B Castro

SS Russell/Baez

3B Baez/Russell

RF Bryant/Soler

CF Alcantara

LF Schwarber/Soler/Bryant

 

That said, I have the feeling there will be a big deal made involving some of these guys. My expectation (well, hope) is that it will be a for a stud MLB OF bat, rather than a pitcher.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I get what you guys are saying. It makes sense. But Kyle, with all the cheap offense we've got coming, very few spots we can even spend at, why not spend on the best we can with pitching?

 

Well for one thing, having a gaudy list of hitting prospects is great, but not all of them are going to turn into good major league players. And among the ones that do, most aren't going to be real plus players for at least a year or two, maybe more. I don't think it's a good idea to pin all your hopes on these guys panning out, not to mention giving them no veteran protection. Stockpiling is smart - it gives you options when the can't-miss prospects miss. But some of them will miss.

 

This. I kind of want to make sure we hit on enough prospects out of the Bryant-Russell-Baez-Shwarber-Alcantara-Soler-McKinney-Almora group before we start shipping any of them or Castro out. I don't know, maybe that's a tad conservative, but I'd hate to stockpile all this talent just to guess wrong on which of them are actually going to pan out. I'd like to let these guys develop for at least another year (i.e. next trade deadline) before we start spinning them off.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I want an outfielder, but I don't see the point in trading a bunch of prospects for one when we've got all this money just sitting around waiting to be spent.

[XZero771679666304]

I want an outfielder, but I don't see the point in trading a bunch of prospects for one when we've got all this money just sitting around waiting to be spent.

 

Well, when I say "an OF", I pretty much just mean Stanton. You can't buy that with money.

[imb]

If springer/correa would have done Stanton last year, Russell/alcantara should be enough a year later, even though that dumbo GM will ask for Bryant and baez

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I want an outfielder, but I don't see the point in trading a bunch of prospects for one when we've got all this money just sitting around waiting to be spent.

 

Well, when I say "an OF", I pretty much just mean Stanton. You can't buy that with money.

 

That's reasonable. I just hate talking about offseason plans that require going after one super specific player. There's a chance the Marlins don't even trade him, and then there's an even bigger chance they just like someone else's prospects better than ours and it's all moot.

[Deeg]

Problem is the FA list for outfielders is pretty fugly this winter, and it would be nice to have that bat in-place when the prospects start to arrive in 2015 (though I think you'll see Alcantara this season).

[Clem Fandango]

they just like someone else's prospects better than ours

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ms9IHmn.gif

[Neuby]

The Cubs just saved close to another $5M to add to the money that rolled over from the offseason.

 

 

Maeda

Lester

Arrieta

Wood

Jackson

Staily/Beeler/Wada/Hendricks/Rusin

[XZero771679666304]

I want an outfielder, but I don't see the point in trading a bunch of prospects for one when we've got all this money just sitting around waiting to be spent.

 

Well, when I say "an OF", I pretty much just mean Stanton. You can't buy that with money.

 

That's reasonable. I just hate talking about offseason plans that require going after one super specific player. There's a chance the Marlins don't even trade him, and then there's an even bigger chance they just like someone else's prospects better than ours and it's all moot.

 

I don't think it necessarily has to be part of a plan, at least in the way Tanaka was last offseason. I think doing next to nothing with the offense is a completely viable option. There's not much on the FA market as far as OF go that I would be interested in. Markakis, maybe (if they buy him out).

[nathaniel hornblower]

Anyone recall when we were all about Hoon-Ha and Szczur?

 

Sickels' post-Garza trade 2011 Cubs prospect list included Trey McNutt, Chris Carpenter, and Jaye Chapman in the top 5.

[XZero771679666304]

they just like someone else's prospects better than ours

 

http://i.imgur.com/Ms9IHmn.gif

 

It's possible, but the Cubs are in a good position to outbid anyone, unless they're looking for pitching. But that's not what Miami needs.

[XZero771679666304]

Anyone recall when we were all about Hoon-Ha and Szczur?

 

Sickels' post-Garza trade 2011 Cubs prospect list included Trey McNutt, Chris Carpenter, and Jaye Chapman in the top 5.

 

oof. Dark days.

[Deeg]

CarGo might be a good offseason target. His home/away splits aren't great but considering how many games he plays in LA, SF and SD - three graveyards for hitters - they're not terrible. Got some injury issues and isn't having his best season, but maybe that would depress his value a little. He'd certainly be much cheaper than Stanton, but I can't see the Rockies being that keen to take Castro as part of the deal.

[imb]

I would not trade Castro for cargo straight up

[XZero771679666304]

CarGo might be a good offseason target. His home/away splits aren't great but considering how many games he plays in LA, SF and SD - three graveyards for hitters - they're not terrible. Got some injury issues and isn't having his best season, but maybe that would depress his value a little. He'd certainly be much cheaper than Stanton, but I can't see the Rockies being that keen to take Castro as part of the deal.

 

The left side of the IF is pretty stacked for Colorado. CarGo's splits aren't terrible, but they're bad (outside of last season). Plus he's going to be 29 (Stanton will be 25), and he's injury prone.

 

I'd be fine with acquiring him, but the cost would have to (really) pale in comparison the cost for Stanton, because CarGo pales to Stanton.

[imb]

I would put Castro in LF before I traded him for cargo

[XZero771679666304]

I would not trade Castro for cargo straight up

 

Nor would I. CarGo is question mark. Can he sustain performance away from Coors? Can he stay on the field?

 

I really wouldn't give up much for him.

[XZero771679666304]

Sean Doolittle ‏@whatwouldDOOdo 1h

Excited to see Samardzija back on a football field

 

HA

[UK1679666180]

I love this trade. I'm all about Stanton at this point in the off-season too. I wouldn't trade Arrieta at this point and I disagree with Raisin as far as not bringing Hammel back. Stanton Maeda and Hammel put them in contention with everyone else. You miss with that pitcher, it might cost you the playoffs.

 

The foundation is more than there now they have to put the pieces around it.

[Deeg]

I would not trade Castro for cargo straight up

 

Nor would I. CarGo is question mark. Can he sustain performance away from Coors? Can he stay on the field?

 

I really wouldn't give up much for him.

 

The three parks CarGo has played in most often apart from Coors (about a third as many games, collectively) are Oakland, Petco and A T & T. Those are awful places to hit. He's a lefty bat with a decent glove, runs the bases well and isn't overpriced contractually. Obviously it depends on the cost in talent - and just as obviously it would be way less than Stanton - but I think you're selling him short. If he shows he's healthy by the end of the year, I'd very seriously kick the tires.

[XZero771679666304]

I would not trade Castro for cargo straight up

 

Nor would I. CarGo is question mark. Can he sustain performance away from Coors? Can he stay on the field?

 

I really wouldn't give up much for him.

 

The three parks CarGo has played in most often apart from Coors (about a third as many games, collectively) are Oakland, Petco and A T & T. Those are awful places to hit. He's a lefty bat with a decent glove, runs the bases well and isn't overpriced contractually. Obviously it depends on the cost in talent - and just as obviously it would be way less than Stanton - but I think you're selling him short. If he shows he's healthy by the end of the year, I'd very seriously kick the tires.

 

I'm quite aware of that, but we're not taliking about a marginal split difference. Aside from last year, his home/away splits have been very skewed, anywhere form .200-.300 points. The other NL west parks aside from Chase are pitchers parks, but that isn't enough to excuse those splits. Factor in his injury issues - which at this point look chronic - and his age, and you have to be very conservative in what you give up for him, imo.

 

And given how much Rockies ownership and management have said they love he and Tulo, and I'm not sure there's a deal to be made. If they want to give him up for a couple prospects in the 8-15 range, and maybe one of our relievers, and I'm potentially interested. Go above that, and I'm squarely out.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Anyone recall when we were all about Hoon-Ha and Szczur?

 

Sickels' post-Garza trade 2011 Cubs prospect list included Trey McNutt, Chris Carpenter, and Jaye Chapman in the top 5.

 

wtf i don't even remember this guy