Hammel/Samardzija Traded to A's for Russell/McKinney/Straily

[ctcf]

@FacebookCubs is killing it today

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Top 5 position player prospects >>>> getting three or four lesser top-100 types

[Guest]

I follow Facebook Cubs for the lulz and I am getting so frustrated reading these things that I might have to unfollow.

[MWV]

Jesus Christ, the 2016 Cubs are going to be a fun [expletive] team to watch.

[d_money]

Sleeping on it, it's just sooooo [expletive] hard to add top 10 type guys. I mean damn, serious [expletive] impact. I'd rather get that than 3 top 100 types.

 

As for it being another hitter? Screw it, bats are so needed throughout baseball it's not even funny. And it's entirely plausible to say we've got an embarrassment of riches.

 

I don't want to trade a SS, we've got room for them all. I'm not sure what this means for 2015. We need one of Hendricks/Beeler/Wada/Straily to become a true option.

 

Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/one of those 4- I'd sign a big name, but I get trying to find another Hammel as well. Anyway, we can contend next year with no trades, a solid FA SP and an OFer without making any trades. Still think 2015 is the start of everything for us.

 

Geez, what a [expletive] lineup we've got coming......

Wada is 33 and not a long term option. Is he even signed for 2015?

[Guest]

is adding addison russell to this farm system analogous to adding carmelo anthony to the heat or something? lmao

[RammyFanny]

It's painful to listen to people calling into 670.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Jesus Christ, the 2016 Cubs are going to be a fun [expletive] team to watch.

 

So are the 2015 Cubs. I'm not saying they'll win the division. But unless the front office takes goes from tanking to outright sabotage, they'll be decent and young and exciting.

[dew1679666265]

the control makes up for it. Hammel is going to make a lot of money next season, a lot, and he's no guarantee to return or repeat his production given his history.

 

If the season ended today, he'd be averaging 2.4 WAR the past 6 seasons. It increases to 2.6 WAR if you're conservative about the rest of the season and say he'll post 1.5 WAR the rest of the way. Maholm has had 1 season better than that and 2 seasons as good or better than either of those numbers. Hammel's a very good bet to post a 2-2.5 WAR and a decent bet to be better than that.

 

As for the cost, I'm not sure it'll be as high as you think. He is 32 and it's his peripherals and advanced stats (WAR and FIP/xFIP) that are impressive, not really his traditional stats). That may depress his value some.

[imb]

We traded shark and hammel together so obviously we were going to get a top rates prospect. But it being a guy who won't come up until 2017 is a worst case scenario type trade.

 

You, like usual, don't seem to have any clue what you're talking about

[Castros trade value]

It's painful to listen to people calling into 670.

 

You mean it's painful listening to White Sox fans calling into 670 posing as: "upset" Cubs fans?

 

:good:

[dew1679666265]

Truly top end prospects are pretty rare to see dealt at this point. I've got serious doubt Shark would have landed Russell by himself. I think Hammel was needed to balance things out there somewhat. Again, getting a top 10 type is definitely better than getting 3 top 100's or 2 top 50's. Especially in our case of already having a ridiculous system.

 

I see what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree, I'm just having trouble getting excited about the McKinney/Straily portion and I kinda felt like I should be excited about every piece of a Shark/Hammel deal.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I can't think of anything I'd want to do less than listen to sports radio after a trade like this.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

McKinney is heading to Daytona.

[Guest]

I can't think of anything I'd want to do less than listen to sports radio after a trade like this.

 

I guess Mike Murphy is on ESPN on weekends now. Holy [expletive] I can't imagine how bad that must be.

[illiniguy]

Wait, we just added a top 5 guy who plays middle infield. Forget that we have Baez, if we didn't have him I think everyone would be going bananas over this deal. As they should be.

[ctcf]

We traded shark and hammel together so obviously we were going to get a top rates prospect. But it being a guy who won't come up until 2017 is a worst case scenario type trade.

 

You, like usual, don't seem to have any clue what you're talking about

 

It's like having our own Facebook Cubs.

[dew1679666265]

Top 5 position player prospects >>>> getting three or four lesser top-100 types

 

I'm not arguing that and I certainly am not complaining about the Russell portion of it - if we could get him, we needed to do it. I guess I wanted more out of the 2nd and 3rd pieces, though.

[Guest]

Wait, we just added a top 5 guy who plays middle infield. Forget that we have Baez, if we didn't have him I think everyone would be going bananas over this deal. As they should be.

 

probably not. most of these idiots don't realize how immensely valuable russell is.

[A New Era]

I can't think of anything I'd want to do less than listen to sports radio after a trade like this.

 

So ofcourse, you're doing it, right? I've had the blessing of not feeling the need this time.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I can't think of anything I'd want to do less than listen to sports radio after a trade like this.

 

So ofcourse, you're doing it, right? I've had the blessing of not feeling the need this time.

 

Not even a little. I can barely handle a place like this which has a high concentration of smart fans.

[illiniguy]

Wait, we just added a top 5 guy who plays middle infield. Forget that we have Baez, if we didn't have him I think everyone would be going bananas over this deal. As they should be.

 

probably not. most of these idiots don't realize how immensely valuable russell is.

We have three top ten players who can play in the infield. I am giddy over this deal. We have so many prospects to get excited over. It's insane.

[dawson1989]

We traded a guy who was going to get an offer way over actual value next season and a guy who is worth a lot of money after next season but seems disgruntled and likely starting decline by the time the team can win. For that we got a top 5 prospect plus others. That's great return which is not to say this is a bad trade for the A's.

 

I think you keep Russell at SS and figure out somewhere else for Castro, if possible. Whomever handles 3B best out of Baez and Bryant stays there, assuming Baez starts working there. The other goes to the OF. So to me the setup for all these SS's should be:

 

2B Alcantara

SS Russell

3B Bryant/Baez

LF Bryant/Baez

 

Doesn't really leave a spot for Castro. If the above four actually pan out I think you got to look at moving Castro. Considering his service time he's the one best to move. In a year or two, as these prospects come up, Theo could move Castro for a good pitcher. I also don't think Castro would be happy to move off SS and he isn't the best option there in my opinion. That means he gets moved to a team happy to keep at his desired position.

[CubInOK]

McKinney is heading to Daytona.

So his season's over. That sucks.

[dew1679666265]

Let me clarify in case I need to - I'm not upset we made the trade and I don't think it's a bad trade. It's a good deal and one we should have made since it presented itself, I'm just not excited about it.