Hammel/Samardzija Traded to A's for Russell/McKinney/Straily

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Meanwhile, even after Rusin, we've got a 25-man spot open that I haven't seen any indication on?

[A New Era]

Top 5 position player prospects >>>> getting three or four lesser top-100 types

 

I'm not arguing that and I certainly am not complaining about the Russell portion of it - if we could get him, we needed to do it. I guess I wanted more out of the 2nd and 3rd pieces, though.

 

The 2nd piece is the 1st round pick of a very smart organization in 2013 and is better than Almora right now. I don't see how you can't be happy with adding a Bryant and Almora + level talent. Hammel was probably insisted on by Beane in order to pull the trigger on giving up his 2012 and 2013 first round pick. Then you add a reclimation project for Bozio with a wipeout sinker and probably a decent PTBNL. This is about as amazing as you could have expected a return to be. Russel is the crown jewel but the others aren't as boring as you make them out to be.

[Guest]

We traded a guy who was going to get an offer way over actual value next season and a guy who is worth a lot of money after next season but seems disgruntled and likely starting decline by the time the team can win. For that we got a top 5 prospect plus others. That's great return which is not to say this is a bad trade for the A's.

 

I think you keep Russell at SS and figure out somewhere else for Castro, if possible. Whomever handles 3B best out of Baez and Bryant stays there, assuming Baez starts working there. The other goes to the OF. So to me the setup for all these SS's should be:

 

2B Alcantara

SS Russell

3B Bryant/Baez

LF Bryant/Baez

 

Doesn't really leave a spot for Castro. If the above four actually pan out I think you got to look at moving Castro. Considering his service time he's the one best to move. In a year or two, as these prospects come up, Theo could move Castro for a good pitcher. I also don't think Castro would be happy to move off SS and he isn't the best option there in my opinion. That means he gets moved to a team happy to keep at his desired position.

 

Or, in the unlikely event that each of these players pans out and this is an actual problem you have to deal with, you can just leave Castro at SS, play Russell at 2B or 3B, play Baez at the other, play Alcantara in CF, and play Bryant in RF or LF.

[dew1679666265]

The 2nd piece is the 1st round pick of a very smart organization in 2013 and is better than Almora right now. I don't see how you can't be happy with adding a Bryant and Almora + level talent. Hammel was probably insisted on by Beane in order to pull the trigger on giving up his 2012 and 2013 first round pick. Then you add a reclimation project for Bozio with a wipeout sinker and probably a decent PTBNL. This is about as amazing as you could have expected a return to be. Russel is the crown jewel but the others aren't as boring as you make them out to be.

 

Very good points. Like I said before, I'm probably being too hard on McKinney and maybe I'm a bit gunshy about lower level prospects after seeing so many burn out. A lot of his numbers dropping a lot in high A (granted, with some getting better) doesn't help either.

[Castros trade value]

Straily won 10 games in the AL last year posting a sub 4 era and he's only 25. Sure, he's struggled a bit since but this is a nice arm to add. Oh, we got some guy named Russell. Oh, and McKinney and a ptbnl.

 

:yahoo:

[imb]

The 2nd piece is the 1st round pick of a very smart organization in 2013 and is better than Almora right now. I don't see how you can't be happy with adding a Bryant and Almora + level talent. Hammel was probably insisted on by Beane in order to pull the trigger on giving up his 2012 and 2013 first round pick. Then you add a reclimation project for Bozio with a wipeout sinker and probably a decent PTBNL. This is about as amazing as you could have expected a return to be. Russel is the crown jewel but the others aren't as boring as you make them out to be.

 

Very good points. Like I said before, I'm probably being too hard on McKinney and maybe I'm a bit gunshy about lower level prospects after seeing so many burn out. A lot of his numbers dropping a lot in high A (granted, with some getting better) doesn't help either.

 

Who the hell cares about McKinney? Would you have traded hammel and samardzija for Baez? Because Russell is that level of a prospect.

[davell]

Sleeping on it, it's just sooooo [expletive] hard to add top 10 type guys. I mean damn, serious [expletive] impact. I'd rather get that than 3 top 100 types.

 

As for it being another hitter? Screw it, bats are so needed throughout baseball it's not even funny. And it's entirely plausible to say we've got an embarrassment of riches.

 

I don't want to trade a SS, we've got room for them all. I'm not sure what this means for 2015. We need one of Hendricks/Beeler/Wada/Straily to become a true option.

 

Arrieta/Wood/Jackson/one of those 4- I'd sign a big name, but I get trying to find another Hammel as well. Anyway, we can contend next year with no trades, a solid FA SP and an OFer without making any trades. Still think 2015 is the start of everything for us.

 

Geez, what a [expletive] lineup we've got coming......

Wada is 33 and not a long term option. Is he even signed for 2015?

 

Pretty sure we've got control of him. But while not a long term fix, it's certainly possible he could give us a year or two....

[Guest]

The 2nd piece is the 1st round pick of a very smart organization in 2013 and is better than Almora right now. I don't see how you can't be happy with adding a Bryant and Almora + level talent. Hammel was probably insisted on by Beane in order to pull the trigger on giving up his 2012 and 2013 first round pick. Then you add a reclimation project for Bozio with a wipeout sinker and probably a decent PTBNL. This is about as amazing as you could have expected a return to be. Russel is the crown jewel but the others aren't as boring as you make them out to be.

 

Very good points. Like I said before, I'm probably being too hard on McKinney and maybe I'm a bit gunshy about lower level prospects after seeing so many burn out. A lot of his numbers dropping a lot in high A (granted, with some getting better) doesn't help either.

 

McKinney has a 10% walk rate in high A and a .62 BB/K ratio. Those peripherals are the definition of rock solid for a 19 year old in A+.

 

his Isop is .160, his IsoD is .90. not bad either.

Edited July 5, 2014 by Stannis

[dew1679666265]

Straily won 10 games in the AL last year posting a sub 4 era and he's only 25. Sure, he's struggled a bit since but this is a nice arm to add. Oh, we got some guy named Russell. Oh, and McKinney and a ptbnl.

 

:yahoo:

 

I don't care about how many games the A's won with him pitching. His xFIP was half a run higher than his ERA and he was walking 3.3 guys per 9 that season too. He's apparently got some awesome stuff, but it's going to take Bosio magic to make him better than, at best, average.

 

If Bosio can work that magic, though, I get a ton more excited about the deal.

[Guest]

So, let's come up with a list of the top SS prospects in the game:

 

Baez

Russell

Alcantara

Lindor

Correa

 

hahahahaha

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So, let's come up with a list of the top SS prospects in the game:

 

Baez

Russell

Alcantara

Lindor

Correa

 

hahahahaha

 

Make it "best under 25" and include Castro.

[Guest]

Let me throw a possible name out there for the PTBNL: Dillon Overton. He was Oakland's second pick in last year's draft and just underwent TJS at the end of June. The Cubs may be waiting back for post-op medicals before pulling the trigger.

 

Oh yeah, he was originally drafted out of high school by Theo in Boston.

[Guest]

So, let's come up with a list of the top SS prospects in the game:

 

Baez

Russell

Alcantara

Lindor

Correa

 

hahahahaha

 

Make it "best under 25" and include Castro.

Thought about doing that, but then you have to include Bogaerts, Miller and a couple others.

[dew1679666265]

Who the hell cares about McKinney? Would you have traded hammel and samardzija for Baez? Because Russell is that level of a prospect.

 

I understand how good Russell is and I've not said a bad thing about that portion of the deal. But Shark is a legit TOR pitcher and he has fewer innings on his arm than pretty much any 29 year old stud you're going to find. We got a great talent, but we gave up a great talent too and the 2nd and 3rd pieces are intriguing, but questionable.

 

Not a bad deal by any stretch, but I'm not sure it's exciting either.

[dew1679666265]

McKinney has a 10% walk rate in high A and a .62 BB/K ratio. Those peripherals are the definition of rock solid for a 19 year old in A+.

 

I do love that part and the increase in his IsoD as well, but the K rate went up and the production down (wOBA and wRC+ both dropped a lot).

[dew1679666265]

So, let's come up with a list of the top SS prospects in the game:

 

Baez

Russell

Alcantara

Lindor

Correa

 

hahahahaha

 

That's pretty exciting.

[Guest]

Who the hell cares about McKinney? Would you have traded hammel and samardzija for Baez? Because Russell is that level of a prospect.

 

I understand how good Russell is and I've not said a bad thing about that portion of the deal. But Shark is a legit TOR pitcher and he has fewer innings on his arm than pretty much any 29 year old stud you're going to find. We got a great talent, but we gave up a great talent too and the 2nd and 3rd pieces are intriguing, but questionable.

 

Not a bad deal by any stretch, but I'm not sure it's exciting either.

 

the deal only gets better if we are able to snag Stanton with this surplus talent we have in the system now. Like I said, I'd do Baez and Russell right away.

[UK1679666180]

Was anyone concerned about Shark s midseason decline? He did it last year and this June he regressed.

[dcvalpo]

Who the hell cares about McKinney? Would you have traded hammel and samardzija for Baez? Because Russell is that level of a prospect.

 

I understand how good Russell is and I've not said a bad thing about that portion of the deal. But Shark is a legit TOR pitcher and he has fewer innings on his arm than pretty much any 29 year old stud you're going to find. We got a great talent, but we gave up a great talent too and the 2nd and 3rd pieces are intriguing, but questionable.

 

Not a bad deal by any stretch, but I'm not sure it's exciting either.

 

Is he really though? I guess we will get a better idea over the next few months, but I think he's a 2-3 on a good team.

[cbbryan]

I'm pretty damn happy with this deal. The PTBNL could really sway this trade the Cubs way.

 

I like Straily quite a bit more than some on the board. The Cubs have had great success with pitchers like him. He's young (25) and isn't very far removed from pitching well in the AL. Just moving to the NL should help.

[Felix Leiter]

This is a great trade. A #3-4 pitcher and a reclamation project for a wealth of talent back.

 

On Castro, what if the FO thinks that he will never be better than what it is right now. While he's improved at taking pitches he's still not going as long into counts as Theo would like. His fielding is still shady at times, his throws at times are lazy and then there's his short attention span condition. What if their evaluation is: We've had 2 managers try to work with him and the progress has been slow. He just doesn't get it and this is his peak. His trade value to other clubs is as SS and that's what we're selling him as. He's not as a potential CF as what we have in our system and he'd fight the move.

[Guest]

Was anyone concerned about Shark s midseason decline? He did it last year and this June he regressed.

He's done it every year he's started. I think there's definite reason to be concerned.

[davell]

Was anyone concerned about Shark s midseason decline? He did it last year and this June he regressed.

 

He was kind of scary to me. And I wanted to keep him. I truly hope he pitches like an ace for Oakland now.

[UMFan83]

Who the hell cares about McKinney? Would you have traded hammel and samardzija for Baez? Because Russell is that level of a prospect.

 

I understand how good Russell is and I've not said a bad thing about that portion of the deal. But Shark is a legit TOR pitcher and he has fewer innings on his arm than pretty much any 29 year old stud you're going to find. We got a great talent, but we gave up a great talent too and the 2nd and 3rd pieces are intriguing, but questionable.

 

Not a bad deal by any stretch, but I'm not sure it's exciting either.

 

I think you are overvaluing shark a bit. He's not prime Roy Halladay and he's only under control for 18 months. Although he has been unlucky the last 2 seasons overall he's pitched more like a solid #2 or 3 pitcher. This year he started out great but has faded a bit despite his season numbers looking great. He's a very good sometimes great pitcher. Getting a top 5 prospect, a top 100 prospect and a lottery ticket/worse case serviceable starter is more than fair value for shark and Hammel.

 

If the cubs were contending this year I'd be pissed if the Cubs traded Bryant, Almora and Travis Wood for Shark and Hammel.

[abuck1220]

yeah our 24 yr old .800 ops-ing ss "just doesn't get it."