Offseason Rumors

[d_money]

Shannon Drayer ‏@shannondrayer 5m

Traslated ESPN Deportes article claims Cano is in Seattle and a source says the offer is 10yrs 230-240

These never end well. Stupid money/length

[KingCubsFan]

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[XZero771679666304]

Shannon Drayer ‏@shannondrayer 5m

Traslated ESPN Deportes article claims Cano is in Seattle and a source says the offer is 10yrs 230-240

These never end well. Stupid money/length

 

Jack Z. is desperate, as he came in with a lot of expectations on his regime and they've failed.

 

This attempt is a gambled to save his job. But if it happens, it will just be another nail in his coffin. They're not one player away.

[Guest]

If you believe Cano has one more 6 win season in him before his decline starts, and if you think the new price of a win is closer to 6 than 5, then he's worth about 10/225. Giving him upwards of 1.5 milion more per season hardly seems outrageous, although like with the Price rumors, the big consideration is if this is a move worth making in their current state.

[rawaction]

If you believe Cano has one more 6 win season in him before his decline starts, and if you think the new price of a win is closer to 6 than 5, then he's worth about 10/225. Giving him upwards of 1.5 milion more per season hardly seems outrageous, although like with the Price rumors, the big consideration is if this is a move worth making in their current state.

10 years is much more the issue than 23-24mil per.

[Tryptamine]

If you believe Cano has one more 6 win season in him before his decline starts, and if you think the new price of a win is closer to 6 than 5, then he's worth about 10/225. Giving him upwards of 1.5 milion more per season hardly seems outrageous, although like with the Price rumors, the big consideration is if this is a move worth making in their current state.

10 years is much more the issue than 23-24mil per.

 

Very much this. Also, giving anyone a contract that only your optimistic projections having him be worth is a really bad idea. There's almost zero chance of getting any surplus value from that deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you believe Cano has one more 6 win season in him before his decline starts, and if you think the new price of a win is closer to 6 than 5, then he's worth about 10/225. Giving him upwards of 1.5 milion more per season hardly seems outrageous, although like with the Price rumors, the big consideration is if this is a move worth making in their current state.

10 years is much more the issue than 23-24mil per.

 

Very much this. Also, giving anyone a contract that only your optimistic projections having him be worth is a really bad idea. There's almost zero chance of getting any surplus value from that deal.

 

The goal is not to get surplus value.

[Tryptamine]

If you believe Cano has one more 6 win season in him before his decline starts, and if you think the new price of a win is closer to 6 than 5, then he's worth about 10/225. Giving him upwards of 1.5 milion more per season hardly seems outrageous, although like with the Price rumors, the big consideration is if this is a move worth making in their current state.

10 years is much more the issue than 23-24mil per.

 

Very much this. Also, giving anyone a contract that only your optimistic projections having him be worth is a really bad idea. There's almost zero chance of getting any surplus value from that deal.

 

The goal is not to get surplus value.

 

Then you're not giving yourself any upside. Best case scenario you get what you paid for. There's no reason to give out a contract without any potential upside in value unless that's the one move that helps you win a world series. In Seattle's case, that is most definitely not the scenario.

[jersey cubs fan]

Then you're not giving yourself any upside. Best case scenario you get what you paid for. There's no reason to give out a contract without any potential upside in value unless that's the one move that helps you win a world series.

 

This is crazy talk.

[Guest]

The goal is to win games and the more money you have at your disposal, the less you give a [expletive] about surplus value.

[Rob]

The reason I like getting surplus value on the complementary type players is precisely because it allows us to have the money to overspend on the difference makers. Overspending on them is fine as long as it doesn't get too crazy.

[Clem Fandango]

Noticed the Nats were interested in Eric O'Flaherty... have the Cubs been linked to him at all? I know he's still recovering from Tommy John (said to be back near late May) but he seems like he'd be a worthwhile risk.

[jersey cubs fan]

The vast majority of your surplus value is going to come from your pre-arbitration players. You should be able to continuously exploit this supply line throughout the course of any one 10-year contract. But even if you somehow do not, you're still trying to win baseball games and, at worst, cutting down on the profits of a billionaire for a couple years.

[Guest]

I don't think surplus value is an expectation when a superstar free agent is signed.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is it "optimistic" to get 1 more 6 win season from a guy who's averaged 6.3 fWAR and 7.4 bWAR over the last 4 seasons?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, I mean the surplus value is there (or at least they are hoping so). Just not in a linear, generic $/WAR sense.

[rawaction]

Why is it "optimistic" to get 1 more 6 win season from a guy who's averaged 6.3 fWAR and 7.4 bWAR over the last 4 seasons?

Age is the first thing that comes to mind.

[Cubswin11]

I don't think surplus value is an expectation when a superstar free agent is signed.

No [expletive]. You aren't looking for surplus value when you sign a Robinson Can type. You are looking for "surplus value" when you sign someone like Feldman, Scheirholtz, Villanueva, etc.

[Guest]

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The Mariners talks with Robinson Cano have broken down after Seattle made an offer of nine years and $225MM, two sources told Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News. The Mariners are no longer in the mix to sign Cano, reports Feinsand.

 

According to Feinsand, Cano and his representatives from CAA and Roc Nation Sports arrived in Seattle with an eight-year, $200MM offer in hand from the Mariners and eventually received assurances that the Mariners would go to nine years and $225MM. However, a late change by agent Jay-Z in which he once again demanded $252MM over 10 years caused Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln to "explode," prompting the meeting to end.

 

Seattle's offer of $225MM over nine years topped the Yankees' best offer by two years and $50MM, Feinsand notes. However, the Yankees appear to be Cano's lone serious suitor once again. The Yankees reportedly have never been willing to exceed the $200MM barrier for Cano.

[ctcf]

Sounds like Jay Z is doing well

[UMFan83]

Jesus, I didn't realize the Mariners only have 2 players under contract next year and only 4 players that are either under contract or in their arbitration years. Their projected payroll is only about $47 mil.

[USSoccer]

Seems like my prediction of Jay Z acting like an [expletive] and hurting his clients is working out nicely.

[Guest]

Seems like my prediction of Jay Z acting like an [expletive] and hurting his clients is working out nicely.

 

I completely thought he'd be a figurehead. No idea why someone would trust him to actually negotiate their 9 figure contract...especially in a field he probably knows nothing about.

[USSoccer]

Seems like my prediction of Jay Z acting like an [expletive] and hurting his clients is working out nicely.

 

I completely thought he'd be a figurehead. No idea why someone would trust him to actually negotiate their 9 figure contract...especially in a field he probably knows nothing about.

 

Only knowing his public persona, I'm not at all surprised he thought he could step in and negotiate with a professional baseball team.

[Cubswin11]

Jesus, I didn't realize the Mariners only have 2 players under contract next year and only 4 players that are either under contract or in their arbitration years. Their projected payroll is only about $47 mil.

And Felix has to be near 50% of that, right?