2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[Cubswin11]

Yeah last nights MLBN broadcast was full of buffoonery. Just off the top of my head there was;

-The W/L comment on Z being justification for why he must not be good

-HR comparing every black player drafted with every great black player currently at their position

-HR touting every guy as if he's going to be a HOF'er

-HR and others thinking these picks (even HS kids) are going to be in MLB in the next year

-HR saying Appel will be pitching for Houston by July

-HR saying the new moneyball is drafting HS kids

-HR saying he prefers cold weather guys to warm weather guys because they play less and thus since they play less their ceiling could be higher or something like that

-Basically all the draft pick interviews confirming these guys are a bunch of dub-step loving douchebags

-HR not understanding leverage

-Bud Selig announcing Fraizer as a 3B and pronouncing Los Angeles as Los Angeleeez

-MLB teams sending out reps of Spanish decent who speak very broken English and barely could put a sentence together

-and also a senile, circus midget being sent out who's head didn't reach the mics and didn't know when to start talking who also may or may not of been Earl Milford

[jersey cubs fan]

As bad as HR is, I wonder if some of that "talk about their relevance to the current 25 man roster of the team that drafted them" was simply a mandate that came down from the suits at MLB and MLB Network trying to make the draft a television event on par with the NFL. The NFL draft is good TV (sort of) because guys taken in April will actually be starters, and some will be starts, 6 months later.

 

 

Also, the worst thing was the way Selig would say the next team.......is......now................on....the....clock.

[craig]

It'll also be interesting to see when the Cubs start picking cheap college seniors today. Last year, a lot of teams started in round 6 but the Cubs didn't start until round 8 (taking Trey Lang in the 6th round and Stephen Bruno in 7th).

 

I wonder if there isn't some opportunity there. When other teams have run out of cash and need to be picking $10K guys, if you can be offering $200-300, I wonder if there might not be a bunch of guys who hoped to be 3rd-5th round and who'd rather sign for 5th-6th round cash than delay the dream go to school?

 

Either way, I'm sure the Cubs will know what they've got going. If they've picked some guys they know are going to cost, and they need some extra hundreds, go with the $10K picks. But, maybe that won't be needed.

 

Other thoughts $$-wise: one great prospect is probably worth more than several sorta-good ones. So I understand the push to go for some $2.5 guy..... if the scouts really believe he's pretty special. But I wonder if going for the super super-slot demand guys isn't kinda poor dollar usage? Underwood, for example, was $235K over. Not huge, but that overslot was enough to secure a very good-value pick. If we've got $1.5 in discretionary, I wonder if it isn't actually better to go for 3-5 guys you like a lot but who are $300-500K over, rather than to blow it all on one superslot guy?

 

All depends on the scouting, I guess. If the scouts really think Denny is a great prospect, one good player who ends up being a quality starter is well worth it. But perhaps it would be as smart to get several guys instead.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah last nights MLBN broadcast was full of buffoonery. Just off the top of my head there was;

-The W/L comment on Z being justification for why he must not be good

-HR comparing every black player drafted with every great black player currently at their position

-HR touting every guy as if he's going to be a HOF'er

-HR and others thinking these picks (even HS kids) are going to be in MLB in the next year

-HR saying Appel will be pitching for Houston by July

-HR saying the new moneyball is drafting HS kids

-HR saying he prefers cold weather guys to warm weather guys because they play less and thus since they play less their ceiling could be higher or something like that

-Basically all the draft pick interviews confirming these guys are a bunch of dub-step loving douchebags

-HR not understanding leverage

-Bud Selig announcing Fraizer as a 3B and pronouncing Los Angeles as Los Angeleeez

-MLB teams sending out reps of Spanish decent who speak very broken English and barely could put a sentence together

-and also a senile, circus midget being sent out who's head didn't reach the mics and didn't know when to start talking who also may or may not of been Earl Milford

 

It wasn't just Reynolds, and it wasn't just the comps. Every black player interviewed was asked if they had talked to black former players/coaches, or other black draftees/prospects. And yes, every black player was comped only to other black players.

 

The racism and Reynolds being a comprehensive dumbass were the takeaways from the broadcast for me.

[KingCubsFan]

-HR saying the new moneyball is drafting HS kids

HR was saying that Moneyball no longer applied because the A's were drafting high school kids. "Moneyball" was all about drafting college kids. Jonathan Mayo tried to explain to him that the concepts in Moneyball were all about finding value where others weren't looking, but HR wasn't buying it. I give Mayo credit for biting his tongue and not getting visibly frustrated.

[SouthSideRyan]

Appel is quoting scripture. I'm sure that would have played out wonderfully in the locker room.

Thank you for making me happy we didn't pick him.

 

You guys are weird

[XZero771679666304]

-HR saying the new moneyball is drafting HS kids

HR was saying that Moneyball no longer applied because the A's were drafting high school kids. "Moneyball" was all about drafting college kids. Jonathan Mayo tried to explain to him that the concepts in Moneyball were all about finding value where others weren't looking, but HR wasn't buying it. I give Mayo credit for biting his tongue and not getting visibly frustrated.

 

That instance and when Amsinger was acting incredulous when Mayo told him you couldn't look at W/L when evaluating draftee were nice examples of acting smug while being completely wrong. The draft wasn't a shining moment for MLB Network.

[Guest]

It'll also be interesting to see when the Cubs start picking cheap college seniors today. Last year, a lot of teams started in round 6 but the Cubs didn't start until round 8 (taking Trey Lang in the 6th round and Stephen Bruno in 7th).

 

I wonder if there isn't some opportunity there. When other teams have run out of cash and need to be picking $10K guys, if you can be offering $200-300, I wonder if there might not be a bunch of guys who hoped to be 3rd-5th round and who'd rather sign for 5th-6th round cash than delay the dream go to school?

 

Either way, I'm sure the Cubs will know what they've got going. If they've picked some guys they know are going to cost, and they need some extra hundreds, go with the $10K picks. But, maybe that won't be needed.

 

Other thoughts $$-wise: one great prospect is probably worth more than several sorta-good ones. So I understand the push to go for some $2.5 guy..... if the scouts really believe he's pretty special. But I wonder if going for the super super-slot demand guys isn't kinda poor dollar usage? Underwood, for example, was $235K over. Not huge, but that overslot was enough to secure a very good-value pick. If we've got $1.5 in discretionary, I wonder if it isn't actually better to go for 3-5 guys you like a lot but who are $300-500K over, rather than to blow it all on one superslot guy?

 

All depends on the scouting, I guess. If the scouts really think Denny is a great prospect, one good player who ends up being a quality starter is well worth it. But perhaps it would be as smart to get several guys instead.

 

One thing to note is there just aren't as many multi-million overslot guys as last year (especially if you assume Serrano, Jones and Quantrill are as unsignable as I think they are).

[ctcf]

Appel is quoting scripture. I'm sure that would have played out wonderfully in the locker room.

Thank you for making me happy we didn't pick him.

 

You guys are weird

 

I don't see why.

 

That said, welcome to like 90% of athletes on Twitter.

[Elrhino]

As much money as the MLB is collectively raking in these days, you would think their flagship network could afford higher quality on air talent than a notorious sexual predator and the former co-host of the World Series of Video Games. Edited June 7, 2013 by Elrhino

[jersey cubs fan]

As much money as the MLB is collectively raking in these days, you would think their flagship network could afford higher quality on air talent than a notorious sexual predator and the former co-host of the World Series of Video Games.

 

ESPN is the most successful television network in the world and it's loaded with dolts.

[Guest]

@TerezPaylor #Mizzou LHP Rob Zastryzny, taken 41st overall in MLB Draft, says he expects to be signed "within a week" provided Cubs treat him "fairly."

[Little Slide Rooter]

@TerezPaylor #Mizzou LHP Rob Zastryzny, taken 41st overall in MLB Draft, says he expects to be signed "within a week" provided Cubs treat him "fairly."

 

Sounds to me like a kid eager to get started but momentarily forgot that his agent told him not to sound as such.

[SouthSideRyan]

Appel is quoting scripture. I'm sure that would have played out wonderfully in the locker room.

Thank you for making me happy we didn't pick him.

 

You guys are weird

 

I don't see why.

 

That said, welcome to like 90% of athletes on Twitter.

 

So you do see why.

[Rob]

Appel is quoting scripture. I'm sure that would have played out wonderfully in the locker room.

Thank you for making me happy we didn't pick him.

 

You guys are weird

 

I don't see why.

 

That said, welcome to like 90% of athletes on Twitter.

 

Oh, you see plenty of "Thank God" and "I'm so blessed" stuff, sure. Token Christianity, mostly.

 

Not a lot of people memorizing and utilizing long quotes from scripture. If he's a bit of a bible-thumper, I can see that not going over well in a locker room full of guys many/most of whom party hard and/or cheat on their wives pretty frequently.

[toonsterwu]

why are so many down on our second pick?

 

Because a couple of pundits didn't put a low enough number in front of his name, and people think that getting a guy with a pundit's ranking superficially lower than the spot you are picking in the middle rounds means you win the draft.

 

I wasn't that high on the move less because of the talent and more because it seemed like an under-slot move, which was mildly surprising since there was some intriguing talent on the board that seemed to have higher ceilings. Certainly, though, there's an argument to be made that whatever you lose in ceiling with Rob Zastryzny is made up by the fact that he's markedly closer to being ready in comparison to some of the high ceiling prep players. For all the love for Jon Denney (doesn't mean I don't want Denney), Kyle Skipworth was fairly well-regarded as well out of HS.

Edited June 7, 2013 by toonsterwu

[Guest]

You can watch today's draft proceedings here: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2013/draftlive_app.jsp

[Guest]

@kileymcd: Hearing there may be a deal in place with Jon Denney & Royals if he gets to the 9th pick of the 3rd round. Will be above the $660,900 slot.

[SouthSideRyan]

Professional athletes are pretty damn Christian. Chad Curtis was crazy evangelical, sucked, and hung around forever. I don't know what to tell you if you think a guy quoting scripture is going to piss off a clubhouse that probably has a prayer group.

 

To be thankful you didn't get a stud pitcher because he quoted scripture is like I said...weird.

Edited June 7, 2013 by SouthSideRyan

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think a player can quote scripture without being Billy Sunday.

[jersey cubs fan]

Professional athletes are pretty damn Christian. Chad Curtis was crazy evangelical, sucked, and hung around forever. I don't know what to tell you if you think a guy quoting scripture is going to piss off a clubhouse that probably has a prayer group.

 

To be thankful you didn't get a stud pitcher because he quoted scripture is like I said...weird.

 

His teammates hated Chad Curtis, and he was out of baseball by 32 (hardly forever) and he's apparently on trial for inappropriate touching of high school girls.

 

 

Bible thumpers creep people out. Keep your religion to yourself and nobody cares, preach to people who aren't actually showing up to your church to be preached to and you will be disliked.

Edited June 7, 2013 by jersey cubs fan

[Tryptamine]

I really want this pick to be Wahl. Grab him with this pick and this has the makings for a great draft.

[Rob]

Professional athletes are pretty damn Christian. Chad Curtis was crazy evangelical, sucked, and hung around forever. I don't know what to tell you if you think a guy quoting scripture is going to piss off a clubhouse that probably has a prayer group.

 

To be thankful you didn't get a stud pitcher because he quoted scripture is like I said...weird.

 

Did I say I was thankful?

[weis21]

Yeah, it seems like a jump to conclusions to think a guy quoting scripture is going to automatically enrage a clubhouse.

 

Tebow has plenty of haters in general, but he was pretty well-liked (by most accounts) by his teammates.

[SouthSideRyan]

Professional athletes are pretty damn Christian. Chad Curtis was crazy evangelical, sucked, and hung around forever. I don't know what to tell you if you think a guy quoting scripture is going to piss off a clubhouse that probably has a prayer group.

 

To be thankful you didn't get a stud pitcher because he quoted scripture is like I said...weird.

 

His teammates hated Chad Curtis.

 

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