Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Post Count Padder]

Not sure where to put stuff like this unless we start a Trade Deadline thread:

 

The Yankees are aggressively pushing trades involving Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes, an AL executive tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). In fact, a deal sending Chamberlain to a National League team could happen soon, though nothing is imminent on either front.

 

There has been a great deal of speculation surrounding the Phillies in recent weeks and which veterans could be moved between now and the july 31st deadline. However, rival teams that have spoken with General Manager Ruben Amaro recently say that the club is talking about buying, not selling, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.

[KingCubsFan]

That report suggests that Joba Chamberlain still has value.

[bukie]

A 27 year old reliever that had a good year in 2008 and hasn't thrown over 30 innings in 3 years? Can't imagine contenders are clamoring for that.

[Pushfrog98]

A 27 year old reliever that had a good year in 2008 and hasn't thrown over 30 innings in 3 years? Can't imagine contenders are clamoring for that.

Fresh arm?

[UMFan83]

 

There has been a great deal of speculation surrounding the Phillies in recent weeks and which veterans could be moved between now and the july 31st deadline. However, rival teams that have spoken with General Manager Ruben Amaro recently say that the club is talking about buying, not selling, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.

 

LOL Never change Amaro

[Clem Fandango]

lol joba chamberlain

 

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[Tangled Up in Plaid]

one exec tells Olney that the asking price for the Cubs' Matt Garza (as well as the Yankees' Phil Hughes) is "incredibly high" because of that thinking. Chicago knows they will at least present a qualifying offer to Garza after the season if they keep him, which will net them a compensatory draft pick if he signs elsewhere. Anyone who wants to land Garza has to match, and probably exceed, the value of that pick.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'd sure as hell hope they'd have to exceed the minimum value we'd get if we can't sign him or trade him, given that the team would also get 2+ months of pitching from him. Brilliant insight

[Guest]

Well, the team that trades for him isn't allowed to make that qualifying offer and get the draft pick. It's still a very obvious statement("The Cubs won't trade him for less than they'll get by keeping him? No way!"), but there is that nuance for the team that trades for Garza.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, the team that trades for him isn't allowed to make that qualifying offer and get the draft pick. It's still a very obvious statement("The Cubs won't trade him for less than they'll get by keeping him? No way!"), but there is that nuance for the team that trades for Garza.

 

But they are allowed to then sign him without losing the pick themselves, right?

[CubsWin]

Well, the team that trades for him isn't allowed to make that qualifying offer and get the draft pick. It's still a very obvious statement("The Cubs won't trade him for less than they'll get by keeping him? No way!"), but there is that nuance for the team that trades for Garza.

 

But they are allowed to then sign him without losing the pick themselves, right?

Yes.

[ScrubMD]

I traded for Phil Hughes on my 2008 video game and he has gone on to be a 3 time Cy Young winner. It's now 2021 and he's still an ace. Lets go for it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My one memory of Joba Chamberlain involves him being swarmed by gnats and the teams trainers having to come out and hose him down with bug spray.

[Guest]

I traded for Phil Hughes on my 2008 video game and he has gone on to be a 3 time Cy Young winner. It's now 2021 and he's still an ace. Lets go for it.

 

In the first Baseball Mogul game, Jose Cruz Jr. turned into a superduperstar every single time. I'd always trade for him. Can we get that guy?

[Tracer Bullet]

Well, the team that trades for him isn't allowed to make that qualifying offer and get the draft pick. It's still a very obvious statement("The Cubs won't trade him for less than they'll get by keeping him? No way!"), but there is that nuance for the team that trades for Garza.

 

Right. The team that trades for him has to think that he's worth whatever they give up without considering a comp pick but that's a separate issue than whether the cubs would trade him for less than the value of a comp pick which is patently stupid.

[rawaction]

I traded for Phil Hughes on my 2008 video game and he has gone on to be a 3 time Cy Young winner. It's now 2021 and he's still an ace. Lets go for it.

 

In the first Baseball Mogul game, Jose Cruz Jr. turned into a superduperstar every single time. I'd always trade for him. Can we get that guy?

 

Yeah, did the same in my game. It's been years ago now, but I remember him hitting 60+ HRs with at least 25 from each side of the plate. OBP was over .600.

[imb]

My one memory of Joba Chamberlain involves him being swarmed by gnats and the teams trainers having to come out and hose him down with bug spray.

 

And breaking his foot completely off

[Tyrant]

My one memory of Joba Chamberlain involves him being swarmed by gnats and the teams trainers having to come out and hose him down with bug spray.

 

That is everyone's one memory of Joba Chamberlain.

[PackLandVA]

Don't know if this was mentioned in the previous 29 pages or not, but with the possibility of Nelson Cruz being suspended, does anyone think the Rangers would be interested in reacquiring Soriano? While he's nor as good a hitter as Cruz, he could probably do a decent job of being productive in that ballpark, with that lineup around him and the continued warm weather in TX.

 

What would he be worth?

[davell]

Its hard to pinpoint Soriano's value. Even assuming we pay 75% or more of his remaining deal. He holds plenty of excess value to us, since we are power deficient, plus he's a good influence on our younger guys. I'd let him finish out the contract here unless we got offered a top 10 type from a decent system and a lower level, high upside type or two, like Pineyro, for instance. Or some other combo, maybe a solid reliever with multiple years of control and a pair of top 20 types? Even still, I'm not even sure I'd do a deal like either of those.

[Guest]

Its hard to pinpoint Soriano's value. Even assuming we pay 75% or more of his remaining deal. He holds plenty of excess value to us, since we are power deficient, plus he's a good influence on our younger guys. I'd let him finish out the contract here unless we got offered a top 10 type from a decent system and a lower level, high upside type or two, like Pineyro, for instance. Or some other combo, maybe a solid reliever with multiple years of control and a pair of top 20 types? Even still, I'm not even sure I'd do a deal like either of those.

If that's what the cubs are holding out for he won't br traded.

[Guest]

Don't know if this was mentioned in the previous 29 pages or not, but with the possibility of Nelson Cruz being suspended, does anyone think the Rangers would be interested in reacquiring Soriano? While he's nor as good a hitter as Cruz, he could probably do a decent job of being productive in that ballpark, with that lineup around him and the continued warm weather in TX.

 

What would he be worth?

 

I've heard Soriano mentioned in a "this seems logical" sense, since not only is the Cruz thing up in the air, but their LF production is awful and now their DH Berkman is hurt. They may also be interested in Schierholtz for similar reasons. I haven't heard any indication the Rangers are interested in such a deal though.

 

As far as Soriano's worth, from a mathematical perspective, he'd be worth about 10 million in surplus value if you trade him in July and pick up 75% of his salary. That should be worth a player of decent quality. I don't think it's near what Garza is supposed to command, but not too dissimilar than what you might have expected for Schierholtz or Villanueva.

[CubsWin]

Don't know if this was mentioned in the previous 29 pages or not, but with the possibility of Nelson Cruz being suspended, does anyone think the Rangers would be interested in reacquiring Soriano? While he's nor as good a hitter as Cruz, he could probably do a decent job of being productive in that ballpark, with that lineup around him and the continued warm weather in TX.

 

What would he be worth?

 

I've heard Soriano mentioned in a "this seems logical" sense, since not only is the Cruz thing up in the air, but their LF production is awful and now their DH Berkman is hurt. They may also be interested in Schierholtz for similar reasons. I haven't heard any indication the Rangers are interested in such a deal though.

 

As far as Soriano's worth, from a mathematical perspective, he'd be worth about 10 million in surplus value if you trade him in July and pick up 75% of his salary. That should be worth a player of decent quality. I don't think it's near what Garza is supposed to command, but not too dissimilar than what you might have expected for Schierholtz or Villanueva.

Intriguing possibilities are coming as a result of these pending suspensions. Add in that Berkman is currently on the DL, and Soriano might be of even more interest. The best option on their 40-man is Engel Beltre who, unlike Joe Benson, is hitting well in AAA, but he lacks the power and experience Sori can provide. The Rangers are also thought to be interested in a righty bat which narrows down the list of candidates.

 

Given the opportunity to get something of value in return for eating a good portion of his contract, I think Cubs would trade him especially when you consider the in-house and FA options the Cubs have. Sweeney could be resigned. Lake could play some OF. Players like Choo, Pence or Ellsbury could be signed at a steep price. Other FA options are Mike Morse, Chris Young (if his 11 million option is bought-out), Nate McLouth and Corey Hart. Place holders like Jason Bay and Raul Ibanez will also be available.

 

I'm intrigued...

[CubsWin]

Charlie Wilmoth at MLBtraderumors.com suggests the Pirates are good fit for Schierholtz, and that he should bring back something good due to his extra year of control. If Hairston can bring back Pineyro, can Schierholtz bring back Nick Kingham? Tyler Glasnow? Sounds like a lot, but the Pirates need to make a push for the playoffs this year...

[CubsWin]

Rumors of Matt Cain being injured might not help the Giants desperation to get a guy like Garza. It might just turn them into sellers. But if they are still wanting to make a run, they have a lot of intriguing depth behind top prospects Kyle Crick and Chris Stratton. Clayton Blackburn, Edwin Escobar, Adalberto Mejia and Ty Blach are names I'd like to learn more about. Anybody have good knowledge on these guys?