Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Guest]

@BNightengale The #Dodgers and #Indians are heavily scouting #Cubs Matt Garza, believing he will be moved.

 

Nightengale is less than useless at rumor-mongering, but both of those teams have had interest in Garza documented previously. I believe Cubs Den has mentioned an Indians deal would presumably involve Bauer.

[Elrhino]

A Bauer package has to blow away a way the Dodgers likely offer. Edited July 9, 2013 by Elrhino

[Neuby]

Does Codey Ransom have value comparable to Jeff Baker last season?

[Clem Fandango]

@BNightengale The #Dodgers and #Indians are heavily scouting #Cubs Matt Garza, believing he will be moved.

 

Nightengale is less than useless at rumor-mongering, but both of those teams have had interest in Garza documented previously. I believe Cubs Den has mentioned an Indians deal would presumably involve Bauer.

 

I'd prefer an attempt to get Skaggs, but I would not be upset with a deal surrounding Bauer. I know he has his flaws, and his critics, but he's still only 22 years old and has TOTR potential.

 

Also, I had no idea Rich Hill was a) still in the majors and b) has had a spot in the Indians bullpen all year despite a 6.38 ERA. RECLAMATION PROJECT YOU GUYS

[Guest]

Granted the Garza extension talk talk could simply be them trying to add leverag.

 

It's all it is. I'd be shocked if the boys didn't trade Garza.

 

If they really want him back, they have a chance in the offseason. Yes, it would be a risk because Garza might fall in love with his new team, but I have a hard time believing that with what we have been doing, that they'd extend Garza instead of getting more prospects for him.

 

Now, there is a chance we don't trade him, tender him and get a pick, but to ink him to an extension seems very, very unlikely.

 

We can trade him to Cleveland to avoid that happening.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Enn Tea

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Granted the Garza extension talk talk could simply be them trying to add leverag.

 

It's all it is. I'd be shocked if the boys didn't trade Garza.

 

If they really want him back, they have a chance in the offseason. Yes, it would be a risk because Garza might fall in love with his new team, but I have a hard time believing that with what we have been doing, that they'd extend Garza instead of getting more prospects for him.

 

Now, there is a chance we don't trade him, tender him and get a pick, but to ink him to an extension seems very, very unlikely.

 

We can trade him to Cleveland to avoid that happening.

 

Hahahahahaha. Nice.

[Cubswin11]

I really do hope the Cubs part ways with Garza. Need more pitching prospects.

TINSTAAPP

[ctcf]

What do the Dodgers really have to offer at this point anyway? I'm definitely not a big fan of their system.

[Warpticon]

do not want gary brown. we already have 4th outfielders in the system.

Man I didn't realize how he'd slumped this year. Those are some pedestrian numbers.

 

Then again, we were saying that about Dom Brown and he finally remembered how to hit this season.

 

OF named Brown are the new market inefficiency.

 

Works out better than that pitchers named Rondon thing is.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

Can someone tell me why we're assuming that Tyler Skaggs or any top 50 pitching prospect is available for Matt Garza from the Indians or D-Backs? Neither Arizona, Cleveland nor the LA Dodgers have a good shot of making the playoffs thru the wild card. It's division or nothing. Perhaps Garza for two months gives them the one or two wins needed to get them over the top, but is that worth a top 50 prospect w/o the compensation pick in next year's draft? I mean the only reason I think they would consider trading a guy like Skaggs for Garza is if the D-Backs are confident that the trade means they will have a good chance of signing Garza long-term.

 

Really, of the three that leaves the Dodgers. Arizona or Cleveland may offer a top 50 to 100 prospect for 2 months of Garza, but the Dodgers may offer a top 50 guy like Joc Pederson for Matt Garza. I'd prefer a pitcher obviously if the prospects are equivalent, but I'd take Pederson over a lower echelon pitching prospect, just because they are a pitching prospect. Maybe Bauer's stock has fallen far enough that he may be available. But, I think the recent reports of the Cubs looking at a Garza extension may be a sign that an elite SP simply isn't available because of the new rules. Maybe last year if he didn't get hurt...

 

Anyways, I hope Soriano's recent hot streak could help turn him into a top 100 prospect -- or a top 100 talent prospect whose stock is down (Solis even fits that bill) -- if we pick up most/all of his contract in 2014. There's no reason not to trade Soriano *and* pick up his contract in '14 if it gets us a decent prospect.

[Guest]

What do the Dodgers really have to offer at this point anyway? I'm definitely not a big fan of their system.

 

They have some nice prospects - 3B Corey Seager, OF Joc Pederson, LHP Julio Urias (can't be traded till 8/12/13) and RHP Zach Lee. All four are top 100 prospects, Seager is a definite top 50 prospect while Pederson and Urias are in that discussion.

 

Might be able to get Lee or Pederson.

[Guest]

I don't think anyone can answer why those teams would do that, save for some variation of "difference in evaluation of players/irrationality"(although it's worth pointing out both the D-Backs and Indians are less than 4 games out of WC position). It's more an extension of "these teams have had documented interest in Garza" and "this is the type of player it will take to acquire Garza". Both Towers and Antonetti haven't been afraid of bucking conventions with their moves, either.

[davell]

What do the Dodgers really have to offer at this point anyway? I'm definitely not a big fan of their system.

I like Zach Lee and Joc Pederson. LOVE Julio Urias, but no way in hell he's going anywhere. Chris Reed would be a solid 2nd piece to go with one of Lee or Pederson. Really like Seager, but he's not going anywhere either. This being said though, I don't see them trading actual prospects for a rental. They've said that already. In fact, Kasten said they've addressed the major league team about as much as they're going to for the near future and now its time for them to upgrade their minor league system.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

I don't think anyone can answer why those teams would do that, save for some variation of "difference in evaluation of players/irrationality"(although it's worth pointing out both the D-Backs and Indians are less than 4 games out of WC position). It's more an extension of "these teams have had documented interest in Garza" and "this is the type of player it will take to acquire Garza". Both Towers and Antonetti haven't been afraid of bucking conventions with their moves, either.

 

Well it's worth asking and negotiating, but I respect Towers and Antonetti. They do get things like this.

 

 

to CaliforniaRaisin we're sure as heck not getting Urias though we both know that. I'd love him though.

Edited July 9, 2013 by The-Kris-Bryant

[RammyFanny]

I know an arm will probably the centerpiece of a deal, but Garin Cecchini is just ridiculous. Want.

[Clem Fandango]

Didn't know where else to put this, but it made me laugh...

 

Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post opines that a trade package of Danny Espinosa, Ross Detwiler, Tyler Moore and Lucas Giolito might be enough for the Nationals to obtain David Price from the Rays.

 

So a 2B they don't need who has a 27 OPS+, a back of the rotation pitcher who has a career 5.4 K/9 ratio, an OF they don't need who has a 30 OPS+, and a promising pitching prospect who is just now returning from Tommy John surgery and is at best still at least a couple years away even if he's healthy and performing extremely well.

 

For David Price! I think we can beat that.

[TruffleShuffle]

Didn't know where else to put this, but it made me laugh...

 

Thomas Boswell of the Washington Post opines that a trade package of Danny Espinosa, Ross Detwiler, Tyler Moore and Lucas Giolito might be enough for the Nationals to obtain David Price from the Rays.

 

So a 2B they don't need who has a 27 OPS+, a back of the rotation pitcher who has a career 5.4 K/9 ratio, an OF they don't need who has a 30 OPS+, and a promising pitching prospect who is just now returning from Tommy John surgery and is at best still at least a couple years away even if he's healthy and performing extremely well.

 

For David Price! I think we can beat that.

 

it probably depends on whether teams think they are getting vintage david price or 2013 david price who had a strained triceps and has shed 2mph off his average fastball from last year.

[Tracer Bullet]

What do the Dodgers really have to offer at this point anyway? I'm definitely not a big fan of their system.

 

They have some nice prospects - 3B Corey Seager, OF Joc Pederson, LHP Julio Urias (can't be traded till 8/12/13) and RHP Zach Lee. All four are top 100 prospects, Seager is a definite top 50 prospect while Pederson and Urias are in that discussion.

 

Might be able to get Lee or Pederson.

 

I thought Lee fell out of BA's top 100 this year.

 

ETA: actually, none of those guys are on BA's 2013 list. I assume most or all of them would be today or next year, assuming they don't get run over before February 2014.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2013/02/2013-top-100-prospects-list/

[Guest]

What do the Dodgers really have to offer at this point anyway? I'm definitely not a big fan of their system.

 

They have some nice prospects - 3B Corey Seager, OF Joc Pederson, LHP Julio Urias (can't be traded till 8/12/13) and RHP Zach Lee. All four are top 100 prospects, Seager is a definite top 50 prospect while Pederson and Urias are in that discussion.

 

Might be able to get Lee or Pederson.

 

I thought Lee fell out of BA's top 100 this year.

 

ETA: actually, none of those guys are on BA's 2013 list. I assume most or all of them would be today or next year, assuming they don't get run over before February 2014.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2013/02/2013-top-100-prospects-list/

 

Yeah, I was speaking of their current status as prospects. Seager and Pederson were on BA's midseason top 50 that came out yesterday. Seager and Urias were on BP's midseason top 50 which came out a few weeks ago. I was spitballing Lee's value given his bounce back season.

[Little Slide Rooter]

[expletive] the Dodgers. Want Garza? Give us Puig. He should have been our's to begin with.

[Guest]

ABTY:

 

Cubs have asked Red Sox for 4 players in return for Garza and (at least) 1 prospect... Ranaudo and Workman have been discussed multiple times, Red Sox rebuffed any De La Rosa, Bogarts or Bradley involvement... Cubs have no interest in Barnes or Brentz...

[Guest]

I know everyone wants pitching but I really like Jackie Bradley Jr.

 

I guess that means Owens, Webster as Cecchini are involved in the discussions.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/indians-focused-on-garza-gallardo.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Nothing we don't already know, but still...

 

Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reported earlier today that the Indians and Rangers "are known to have strong interest" in Garza. A Garza trade appears to be a question of "when," rather than "if." I imagine the Cubs' focus in Garza talks will be on pitching, and I would guess they'd bring up names like Danny Salazar, Carlos Carrasco (optioned to Triple-A today), and even Trevor Bauer. The Indians also seek bullpen help, notes Heyman, a need that the Cubs could accommodate.

[Cubswin11]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/indians-focused-on-garza-gallardo.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

Nothing we don't already know, but still...

 

Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reported earlier today that the Indians and Rangers "are known to have strong interest" in Garza. A Garza trade appears to be a question of "when," rather than "if." I imagine the Cubs' focus in Garza talks will be on pitching, and I would guess they'd bring up names like Danny Salazar, Carlos Carrasco (optioned to Triple-A today), and even Trevor Bauer. The Indians also seek bullpen help, notes Heyman, a need that the Cubs could accommodate.

If it took including Russell with Garza to get Bauer I'd do it, preferably you'd want them to want Gregg over Russell (obviously).

[Tryptamine]

I don't even particularly want Bauer anymore even if it was Bauer plus for Garza. The guy has been an unmitigated disaster in his brief time in the bigs and his complete unwillingness to change his style makes him not all that interesting. If he's willing to throw strikes and take a chance at giving up hits rather than walking the park then maybe we talk. The same thing goes with his refusal to stop intentionally pitching up in the zone.