Marlins/Blue Jays trade - Buerhle, Johnson, Escobar and more

[Sammy Sofa]

There's a special place in hell for Loria and his cronies. What a disgusting organization.

 

...and of course, they have two world champions in the last 15 years. There really is no such thing as karma in sports.

 

Sure there is; those championships are all but meaningless in name only. They just flushed out most of the key players right after each one, and everyone is as apathetic as possible about this team. Sure, they won...but who cares?

 

Yeah, who cares? It's not like they beat any other teams on the way to those titles OH WAIT

 

If meatball Cubs fans want to lend some bastard air of legitimacy to the Marlins mercenary titles by crying over 2003 for the bajillionth time, well, whatever; nobody is going to stop a well-greased meatball from rolling downhill. Outside of that their franchise is nothing but a blip without any kind of legacy from either win. Hell, that the Cubs in 2003 are still the much, much bigger story/memory for failing just emphasizes how much of a nothing their two titles are.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's all completely hypothetical and pointless, but the next Cubs fan who tells me they wouldn't want to trade too many top prospects for Stanton because we're rebuilding is getting dick-punched.

 

Christ, how many other Cubs fans are you bothering online? Because nobody has said that here.

[Pushfrog98]

I would give the Marlins whatever the [expletive] they want for Giancarlo Stanton.

 

Even Luis Valbuena?

They better be throwing in LoMo for that price.

[davell]

Soriano for Matusz, pay most of the cash. Wood/Vitters/Szczur for LoMo. Sign Melky, McCarthy, and Feldman. Add a veteran one year reliever and its not a bad offseason.

[Outshined_One]

All things considered, I wouldn't be surprised if Loria ends up owning the A's next offseason. He got the Expos moved to DC and got the Marlins a new stadium, why not send him to another franchise that's trying to squeeze taxpayers for all their worth for a shiny new stadium?

[Clem Fandango]

I seriously doubt Miami values LoMo as much as people are thinking. They have a history of issues with each other and he hasn't exactly been a tremendous player... 2.4 fWAR in 3 seasons. And if you want to take defensive metrics into consideration, whether it's UZR or dWAR, he's pretty terrible out in the field as well.

 

Oh, also in regards to the trade:

 

http://i.imgur.com/g8TvC.gif

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Implying people have already said that? I'm a prospect nut, but Stanton? Come on, you give up whatever it takes, if he's available.

 

I didn't say here. This was one of those "lol Cubs fans outside of NSBB are so stupid" posts.

[Guest]

Implying people have already said that? I'm a prospect nut, but Stanton? Come on, you give up whatever it takes, if he's available.

 

I didn't say here. This was one of those "lol Cubs fans outside of NSBB are so stupid" posts.

 

PSD or BN comments?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Implying people have already said that? I'm a prospect nut, but Stanton? Come on, you give up whatever it takes, if he's available.

 

I didn't say here. This was one of those "lol Cubs fans outside of NSBB are so stupid" posts.

 

PSD or BN comments?

 

All of the above and some Facebook, too.

[Guest]

For the record, most of the time a David posts on BN, it's not me.

[Rob]

Let me preface this by saying I love Giancarlo Stanton.

 

But how much should we really be willing to give up for him? He's got a huge K rate that seems unlikely to drastically improve (the only real comp I can come up with for a really young player who K's like he does is BJ Upton, and his issues haven't really improved much. Dunn's issues didn't do much better either, but he got a later start). He's had some injury issues. And with his size I'm a bit concerned about his ability to stay a plus defender long term. Going forward, I kinda see him as a .260-.270 hitter with 40+ HR and plenty of walks, but I don't see him staying all that healthy or adding all that much value with his legs or glove. More All Star than MVP.

 

We wouldn't give up Castro. We can't give up Almora because he was drafted too recently, and Soler's contract is too much for the current Marlins. So of tradeable assets who could centerpiece a deal, we have Rizzo and Baez (I don't buy that Shark would do it for them).

 

Given the service time, Rizzo for Stanton is more of a lateral move. I don't see it making sense to the Cubs unless they got LoMo on the cheap to plug in at 1B (and erase his huge defensive problems in the OF).

 

Would you be willing to give up Baez for Stanton? I can see it, but I'd have trouble pulling the trigger there. Then again, I'm stupidly high on Baez because of his ridiculous ceiling.

[Guest]

Let me preface this by saying I love Giancarlo Stanton.

 

But how much should we really be willing to give up for him? He's got a huge K rate that seems unlikely to drastically improve (the only real comp I can come up with for a really young player who K's like he does is BJ Upton, and his issues haven't really improved much. Dunn's issues didn't do much better either, but he got a later start). He's had some injury issues. And with his size I'm a bit concerned about his ability to stay a plus defender long term. Going forward, I kinda see him as a .260-.270 hitter with 40+ HR and plenty of walks, but I don't see him staying all that healthy or adding all that much value with his legs or glove. More All Star than MVP.

 

We wouldn't give up Castro. We can't give up Almora because he was drafted too recently, and Soler's contract is too much for the current Marlins. So of tradeable assets who could centerpiece a deal, we have Rizzo and Baez (I don't buy that Shark would do it for them).

 

Given the service time, Rizzo for Stanton is more of a lateral move. I don't see it making sense to the Cubs unless they got LoMo on the cheap to plug in at 1B (and erase his huge defensive problems in the OF).

 

Would you be willing to give up Baez for Stanton? I can see it, but I'd have trouble pulling the trigger there. Then again, I'm stupidly high on Baez because of his ridiculous ceiling.

 

I'd trade Baez in a second.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is all moot because he's not being traded.

 

But if he were, yes you trade Castro if you have to, and no Rizzo to Stanton is not in any way a lateral move. Baez's ceiling is to be almost as valuable of a hitter as Stanton already is.

 

If you think the injuries will be an issue, I get that. But to set them aside for a moment:

 

Age 22 season, fWAR normalized to 162 games played:

Stanton: 7.2

Pujols: 6.2

Bonds: 6.0

A-Rod: 5.3

 

He's an MVP quality hitter, and he's still younger than three of our top 10 prospects (using the FG list). We don't have anything in our system that compares with him.

[abuck1220]

There's a special place in hell for Loria and his cronies. What a disgusting organization.

 

...and of course, they have two world champions in the last 15 years. There really is no such thing as karma in sports.

 

wait, hold on...you're telling me that there is no god-like overseer of sport that determines winners/losers based on how nice the teams' owners are or which fans "deserve" it the most? well, this news just shakes me to the core. here i was thinking lining up my beer cans in the shape of the colts logo made a difference.

[Guest]

@LoMoMarlins: hey @JonHeymanCBS I just read that we got mathematically eliminated from the 2013 playoffs. Is that true?

[toonsterwu]

Soriano for Matusz, pay most of the cash. Wood/Vitters/Szczur for LoMo. Sign Melky, McCarthy, and Feldman. Add a veteran one year reliever and its not a bad offseason.

 

I'm not sure the Orioles do that, but perhaps.

 

I really have doubts that

 

a) The Fish would consider that, but

 

b) That the Fish couldn't get a better deal. As much as he struggled last year, I tend to think that he's still young enough with enough raw ability that teams will give them something of more intrigue than that trio. I think they will hold onto LoMo/Stanton for now and hope their next wave, which I guess is now Jose Fernandez, Christian Yelich, Justin Nicolino, and Jake Marisnick, develops fast (all four are likely to be in AA to start 2013) and joins the youngsters in the bigs, Eovaldi, Stanton, LoMo, Hechavarria, and role pieces like Coghlan/Cox.

 

Lost amidst all the justifiable bashing of the Marlins (and it's definitely justifiable), is the fact that one could actually see them put together a decent lineup next year. Granted, they need guys to step up/step forward, but it's not like expecting LoMo to bounce back a bit right now is something that people wouldn't take the gamble on. Even the rotation could be decent (although that's much tougher to accomplish if Nolasco gets moved). By no means am I suggesting they can be a sleeper team, but it's not hard to see them be ... better than this past year, record wise, and hence, I think for them to move a youngster that might be a key asset for them would need to have them land some more impact.

 

But that's me.

[Lefty]

On a more serious note, I'm somewhat concerned about the ramifications this will have for sports going forward. Any time a team asks for public help building/renovating a stadium, the local and state governments are going to point to this.

 

Good. Maybe it will end the public subsidy of sports. Lord knows there are plenty of other subsidies we can't afford.

[bukie]

Jonah Keri on how Loria continually manages to exploit the system built to make him money:

 

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/42760/theres-shrewd-theres-genius-then-theres-marlins-owner-jeffrey-loria

[Post Count Padder]

Oh, it's not over

 

The Marlins aren’t done yet. One day after agreeing to a blockbuster trade with the Blue Jays, they’re shopping outfielder/first baseman Logan Morrison, according to Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post (on Twitter). Furthermore, several general managers expect Ricky Nolasco to be traded as well.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#Eut1V4eidEm7oa7R.99

[mookie]

I doubt LoMo would cost much. We should get him. I doubt we will, but I can see Boston and Tampa being big players.

[toonsterwu]

I doubt LoMo would cost much. We should get him. I doubt we will, but I can see Boston and Tampa being big players.

 

I'm going to be very curious what it costs to get LoMo. I have a hard time seeing us get involved and winning there, but maybe I have a flawed view on what it might take to land him. Boston does make a ton of sense, though, as they an opening.

[USSoccer]

Vogelbach and Szcur for Morrison.

[davell]

Any chance LoLo could play RF? As much as I want to see us go after him, if he's stuck as a LF/1B, we're dependent on being able to move Soriano. Granted, adding LoMo may get him to actually request a trade, I suppose.

[SouthSideRyan]

Vogelbach and Szcur for Morrison.

 

Too much, the franchise hates him and his value is the lowest it's been since coming to the majors after his performance last season.

[Guest]

SMH at this [expletive] thread

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=779599