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[javy knows my name]

what's up with jonah keri kissing loria's ass?

 

Did you read the whole article or just the title

[Guest]

what's up with jonah keri kissing loria's ass?

 

That is an odd interpretation of that piece, to say the least.

[bukie]

what's up with jonah keri kissing loria's ass?

 

That is an odd interpretation of that piece, to say the least.

I mean, the guy is the world's biggest Expos fan and is writing a book on the demise of the Expos, I'm pretty sure he's not much of a Loria fan.

[Guest]

Loria bilked the city of Miami out of hundreds of millions of dollars, then made a mockery of the process of trying to make a successful team. Keri's "admiration" of Loria's ability to do so and attempts to connect the payroll slashing as anything but a money-grabbing slap in the face to Marlins fans are near eye-rolling. It's an article that should read like a Matt Taibbi piece about a Wall Street crook, and instead comes off like someone forced to write a paper defending Hitler's vision for Germany.

[javy knows my name]

Loria bilked the city of Miami out of hundreds of millions of dollars, then made a mockery of the process of trying to make a successful team. Keri's "admiration" of Loria's ability to do so and attempts to connect the payroll slashing as anything but a money-grabbing slap in the face to Marlins fans are near eye-rolling. It's an article that should read like a Matt Taibbi piece about a Wall Street crook, and instead comes off like someone forced to write a paper defending Hitler's vision for Germany.

 

I...you too, huh?

 

I don't understand how anyone could think the tone of the piece was appreciative. It was rather sarcastic, and to its credit, it did NOT read like something written by Matt "subtle as a sledgehammer" Taibbi.

[bukie]

To me, it read as a "how broken is a system where Jeffrey Loria continues to make money hand over foot and nobody can do anything about it?" piece.

[Guest]

Loria bilked the city of Miami out of hundreds of millions of dollars, then made a mockery of the process of trying to make a successful team. Keri's "admiration" of Loria's ability to do so and attempts to connect the payroll slashing as anything but a money-grabbing slap in the face to Marlins fans are near eye-rolling. It's an article that should read like a Matt Taibbi piece about a Wall Street crook, and instead comes off like someone forced to write a paper defending Hitler's vision for Germany.

 

I...you too, huh?

 

I don't understand how anyone could think the tone of the piece was appreciative. It was rather sarcastic, and to its credit, it did NOT read like something written by Matt "subtle as a sledgehammer" Taibbi.

 

Appreciative or admiration is probably the wrong word, but personally the lack of judgment towards Loria(he does use "I don't blame him", "I'm just impressed", and "I'm just in awe" in one paragraph without sarcasm that I can tell) falls short of what anyone who looks at the situation reasonably should conclude. And personally, I found the effort to stretch this firesale as progress towards being contenders because of economic factors such a distortion that it colored my opinion of the rest of the article. He didn't get the benefit of the doubt after that.

[bukie]

I read it more like the Anchorman "I'm not even mad, that's just amazing" quote. Keri has a long history of disdain for Loria, and even he can't believe that Loria continues to succeed in a world where everyone hates him and he just doesn't care.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm with Dexter and TT. It may not be surprising that I thought he was letting Loria off easy, but it really had the tone to me of "You gotta hand it to him"

[jersey cubs fan]

Loria bilked the city of Miami out of hundreds of millions of dollars, then made a mockery of the process of trying to make a successful team. Keri's "admiration" of Loria's ability to do so and attempts to connect the payroll slashing as anything but a money-grabbing slap in the face to Marlins fans are near eye-rolling. It's an article that should read like a Matt Taibbi piece about a Wall Street crook, and instead comes off like someone forced to write a paper defending Hitler's vision for Germany.

 

I...you too, huh?

 

I don't understand how anyone could think the tone of the piece was appreciative. It was rather sarcastic, and to its credit, it did NOT read like something written by Matt "subtle as a sledgehammer" Taibbi.

 

Appreciative or admiration is probably the wrong word, but personally the lack of judgment towards Loria(he does use "I don't blame him", "I'm just impressed", and "I'm just in awe" in one paragraph without sarcasm that I can tell) falls short of what anyone who looks at the situation reasonably should conclude. And personally, I found the effort to stretch this firesale as progress towards being contenders because of economic factors such a distortion that it colored my opinion of the rest of the article. He didn't get the benefit of the doubt after that.

 

I'm between your two interpretations. I didn't sense as much sarcasm as CSC, but I think he did miss the boat with the "I blame the system and not the scumbag who is reaping the benefits of a flawed system" analysis.

[Formerly Snayke]

but I think he did miss the boat with the "I blame the system and not the scumbag who is reaping the benefits of a flawed system" analysis.

 

I assumed he was writing it with the idea that you can't really expect a billionaire, especially someone like Loria, to act in good faith.

[jersey cubs fan]

but I think he did miss the boat with the "I blame the system and not the scumbag who is reaping the benefits of a flawed system" analysis.

 

I assumed he was writing it with the idea that you can't really expect a billionaire, especially someone like Loria, to act in good faith.

 

that's a pretty stupid basis for an article

[SouthSideRyan]

And I don't think Loria is a billionaire.

[Formerly Snayke]

that's a pretty stupid basis for an article

 

So you think we should assume owners will act in the best interest of fans and the city?

[Guest]

i just thought the article had an "evil genius" feel to it, when loria's accomplishments are really just more about his willingness to be a bad person.

[Tracer Bullet]

I read it more like the Anchorman "I'm not even mad, that's just amazing" quote.

 

Yeah, me too. The paragraph TT pulls from includes this sentence:

 

I'm just impressed by how well he worked everything to his advantage, taking advantage of elected officials, short-sighted businessmen, and a system that rewards the kind of behavior that might seem despicable but is impossibly profitable.

 

Saying he took advantage of people and his behavior is despicable isn't what I'd call "ass kissing."

[jersey cubs fan]

that's a pretty stupid basis for an article

 

So you think we should assume owners will act in the best interest of fans and the city?

 

What the hell does that have to do with acting in good faith?

[Guest]

I read it more like the Anchorman "I'm not even mad, that's just amazing" quote.

 

Yeah, me too. The paragraph TT pulls from includes this sentence:

 

I'm just impressed by how well he worked everything to his advantage, taking advantage of elected officials, short-sighted businessmen, and a system that rewards the kind of behavior that might seem despicable but is impossibly profitable.

 

Saying he took advantage of people and his behavior is despicable isn't what I'd call "ass kissing."

 

you knew what i meant

[Clem Fandango]

More stuff about the Marlins being dicks...

 

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, while the Marlins do not award no-trade clauses, they had assured both Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle as free agents last offseason that they would not be moved, and that the team was committed to a long-term vision.

Buehrle was concerned going in due to the Marlins history of dumping high-priced veterans, but team president David Samson reassured him and his wife that he wouldn't be traded. While verbally assuring players they won't be traded isn't a binding agreement, it's still deplorable to turn around and sell off those players the next season. It's hard to envision any free agents choosing to sign with Miami in the near future.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1) That is deplorable.

 

2) If they are willing to promise you something but not put it in writing when there's a common industry standard to do so, they are probably lying.

[Guest]

1) That is deplorable.

 

2) If they are willing to promise you something but not put it in writing when there's a common industry standard to do so, they are probably lying.

 

Yeah it's hard to feel sorry for the players in that scenario. I mean, it sucks that they were promised they wouldn't be traded and were anyway, but if it was that important to them to get a no-trade clause, they shouldn't have signed with Miami. If you don't get the no-trade clause, you have to know you could get moved at any time no matter what the team told you.

[Guest]

1) That is deplorable.

 

2) If they are willing to promise you something but not put it in writing when there's a common industry standard to do so, they are probably lying.

 

Yeah it's hard to feel sorry for the players in that scenario. I mean, it sucks that they were promised they wouldn't be traded and were anyway, but if it was that important to them to get a no-trade clause, they shouldn't have signed with Miami. If you don't get the no-trade clause, you have to know you could get moved at any time no matter what the team told you.

 

And traded to an entirely different country, no less.

[SouthSideRyan]

To a province that doesn't allow you to have your pet bulldog

[Splendid Splinter]

To a province that doesn't allow you to have your pet bulldog

 

You mean "pit bull". Although he has a Staffordshire Terrier and not a pit, but everyone lumps them together (as well as American Staffordshire/Bully/Bull Terrier/American Bulldog/etc).

[ctcf]

Deal finally just got approved.